Indeed
the building in its original state, made of concrete external walls would not have caught fire.
There was a choice of using rockwall insulation instead of celetex -the flammable outer ckadding may have burnt but the rockwall would not.
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the building in its original state, made of concrete external walls would not have caught fire.
There was a choice of using rockwall insulation instead of celetex -the flammable outer ckadding may have burnt but the rockwall would not.
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Was watching something on TV this year about a new fire retardant insulation - it's the future. Not here yet. They took a sheet, about an inch thick, put a choc ice on top and applied a blow torch underneath. The insulation didn't burn, it smouldered for just a few seconds after blowtorch removed, and choc ice didn't melt.
Amazing stuff. If it could be mass produced (without destroying the atmosphere or vital environments) it will revolutionise building - we'll have billions on fuel every year, might even practically do away with the need to heat homes with fossil fuels.
Amazing stuff. If it could be mass produced (without destroying the atmosphere or vital environments) it will revolutionise building - we'll have billions on fuel every year, might even practically do away with the need to heat homes with fossil fuels.
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Revionism.
"If either of us were in the fire [referring to Ferrari the host], whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the building"
"If either of us were in the fire [referring to Ferrari the host], whatever the fire brigade said, we would leave the building"
Its been around for years......asbestos
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All this nonsense about blaming the residents or blaming the fire service is just obfuscation and turning the story away from the real problem.
My starting point is that it is not a good idea to wrap a building in flammable material.
If anybody wants to disagree with me, I am willing to listen to their reasons, and possibly argue it out.
Does anybody disagree?
My starting point is that it is not a good idea to wrap a building in flammable material.
If anybody wants to disagree with me, I am willing to listen to their reasons, and possibly argue it out.
Does anybody disagree?
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Maybe! Wish I could find it - was on the TV, maybe a tech show or news article. Annoying cannot find.
Im pretty sure I saw it -I remember the choc ice
I think you might be referring to "Starlite". Interesting story behind it too.
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I don't think it was that either. Unless something related. The stuff certainly looked more like a 25mm PIR board.
Oh well, out of ideas then. That's the only stuff I've read about recently that's different to the norm.
Fatal fire in Scotland, 1999.
See any resemblance?
1999 – Fire tears through uPVC window panels at Garnock Court, a tower block in Irvine, Scotland. Pensioner William Linton is killed.
2000 – Following the fires at Garnock Court and Knowsley Heights, a select committee of MPs investigates the dangers of cladding fires. It recommends tougher guidance to ensure that cladding products are ‘entirely non-combustible’ rather than the existing standard of ‘Class 0’. This recommendation is ignored by ministers in favour of the introduction of ‘large-scale testing’ as a route to compliance for cladding systems. Many of these tests will be carried out by the BRE.
July 2009. Another fatal fire.
Can you see a pattern developing?
July 2009 – A fire at Lakanal House spreads via its window panels and through the inside of the building because of flawed compartmentation. Six residents die, including three children, after they were advised to ‘stay put’ by the emergency services.
December 2010 – Industry and fire sector bodies issue warnings about fire safety during a public consultation on Approved Document B – including making calls for sprinklers in high-rise buildings. These are ignored, with the minister responsible later saying there was “a lot of pressure to reduce regulations”.
January 2012 – David Cameron announces plans to “kill health and safety culture” and introduces a ‘one in, two out’ rule for new regulations, where double the financial burden has to be removed by cutting regulations before any new regulation is introduced.
See any resemblance?
1999 – Fire tears through uPVC window panels at Garnock Court, a tower block in Irvine, Scotland. Pensioner William Linton is killed.
2000 – Following the fires at Garnock Court and Knowsley Heights, a select committee of MPs investigates the dangers of cladding fires. It recommends tougher guidance to ensure that cladding products are ‘entirely non-combustible’ rather than the existing standard of ‘Class 0’. This recommendation is ignored by ministers in favour of the introduction of ‘large-scale testing’ as a route to compliance for cladding systems. Many of these tests will be carried out by the BRE.
July 2009. Another fatal fire.
Can you see a pattern developing?
July 2009 – A fire at Lakanal House spreads via its window panels and through the inside of the building because of flawed compartmentation. Six residents die, including three children, after they were advised to ‘stay put’ by the emergency services.
December 2010 – Industry and fire sector bodies issue warnings about fire safety during a public consultation on Approved Document B – including making calls for sprinklers in high-rise buildings. These are ignored, with the minister responsible later saying there was “a lot of pressure to reduce regulations”.
January 2012 – David Cameron announces plans to “kill health and safety culture” and introduces a ‘one in, two out’ rule for new regulations, where double the financial burden has to be removed by cutting regulations before any new regulation is introduced.
I do not know what sort of property you live in, but the majority of properties in this day and age are covered in UPVC materials, doors , windows, Facia Boarding, Guttering, cladding etc, the interior are no better all materials are made of the same, which once alight spread fire and TOXIC smoke which can be a killer within minutes, oh and dont forget your car if that catches fire, Firefighters these day wear Breathing Appartus to extinguish bonfires, rubbish fires in the open air to prevent Toxic smoke as the majority of rubbish contains some type of Plastics
We want warm, draught free buildings built to modern standards Plastics in its many forms can be useful and an asset but burn it it becomes a killer.
No, I am not defending the cladding, howeve ...
.... until filled with residents' furniture, carpets, curtains, books, magazines, newspapers, toiletries.....
.... until filled with residents' furniture, carpets, curtains, books, magazines, newspapers, toiletries.....
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