Remember Farage's racist poster ?

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Yet gasbag and a**e end are allowed to continue posting their extreme right-wing comments without hindrance, for more than ten years.
One can only deduce it is because they are a protected species and/or the mods are sympathetic to their right-wing views.

the ... person and was banned for being insulting as we all know.

Are you confirming my suspicions, that gasbag, a**e end, et al are members of a protected species, and are allowed to be as offensive and abusive as they wish?
But anyone who dares to disagree with them is banned?

Perhaps you can explain why himagin was banned.
Strangely, a**e end and mightygob are reluctant to explain.

While you are at it, perhaps you can explain what happened to the other members who opposed extreme right-wing opinions?

I appreciate that they were all before you were born, you appear to have intimate knowledge of their banning

 

[noseall]

George thinks Gasbanni is a terrorist plumber

What makes you think he isn't?

 

[sodthisforfun]

You persistently defend gasbag's offensive, racist, hate-filled comments, on the basis of defending his right to an opinion.
Yet you are defending that right by shouting down his critics, and being unpleasant in the process.
You cannot morally and reasonably defend one's right to be offensive, by shouting down, trying to deny their critics the same right of opinion.

I got a bit bored after the first couple of lines.
The second and third lines made me laugh out loud coming from you!

Abusive and unplesant, that includes your arse end, mightygob, eeyore, racist, thick, stupid, idiot etc. It's endless the amount of insults, nearly every post you make contains something. Yet you cannot see that you do anything wrong! You see it as your job on here to 'shout down' a person's point of view that you disagree with yet when I point out that what you do is a bad thing you get all defensive, upset and say I am being abusive.

Then you tend to move onto topics such as being banned or gas engineers, or something of that silly nature. Different day, same old.....

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

I got a bit bored after the first couple of lines.
The second and third lines made me laugh out loud coming from you!

Abusive and unplesant, that includes your arse end, mightygob, eeyore, racist, thick, stupid, idiot etc. It's endless the amount of insults, nearly every post you make contains something. Yet you cannot see that you do anything wrong! You see it as your job on here to 'shout down' a person's point of view that you disagree with yet when I point out that what you do is a bad thing you get all defensive, upset and say I am being abusive.

Then you tend to move onto topics such as being banned or gas engineers, or something of that silly nature. Different day, same old.....

Good attempt at diversion.
But why did you feel the need to defend gasbag's right to an opinion against yafo's right to an opinion?
Surely, by your reasoning they are both entitled to an opinion, but you want to deny yafo his right, while supporting gasbag's right. Your argument is completely illogical.
I repeat:

You persistently defend gasbag's offensive, racist, hate-filled comments, on the basis of defending his right to an opinion.
Yet you are defending that right by shouting down his critics, and being unpleasant in the process.
You cannot morally and reasonably defend one's right to be offensive, by shouting down, trying to deny their critics the same right of opinion.
Your argument is incompatible with reason, not to mention morality.

You are either deceiving yourself, and honestly do not understand your dichotomy, possibly acting in blind loyalty, irrespective of the message.
Or you are trying to deceive the forum into believing you are defending freedom of speech. If you are defending freedom of speech, you must defend the offensive post, and the criticism (i.e yafo's comment) of that offensive post. So I ask again, why are you commenting in this thread?
It would appear you are defending gasbag out of blind loyalty, irrespective of his offensive comments, and you have not realised your duplicity.
You do not realise that your one-sided defence of "right to an opinion" can only be interpreted as supporting his opinion.

Message and messenger again.

 

[Notch7]

Good attempt at diversion.

Er no, its central to the argument.

Why do you feel its ok for you to post constant insults but thencomplain when others do.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Er no, its central to the argument.

Rubbish
Sodshittforfun has turned the discussion away form her defence of gasbag, and her simultaneous attacking yafo, with her indefensible gasbag has a right to an opinion while yafo does not, to a rant about me.
But one expects nonsense from you.

Why do you feel its ok for you to post constant insults but thencomplain when others do.

Why do you feel it is OK for you to post abuse, then complain when other do? Remember the ad hominem comments when practically every ad hominem comment was about you and your posts.
Why do you feel it is OK for some to persistently and repeatedly post offensive distortions of the truth in their extremist propaganda.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Good attempt at diversion.
But why did you feel the need to defend gasbag's right to an opinion against yafo's right to an opinion?
Surely, by your reasoning they are both entitled to an opinion, but you want to deny yafo his right, while supporting gasbag's right. Your argument is completely illogical.
I repeat:

Does anybody ever give gasbanni any attention ? Typical hate stirring

Because I don't think Gas said that we should ignore Yafo.

Please, again, let me know where I have denied Yafo his right. Or anybody's for that matter. You are always confusing things - for me to point out that anyone is allowed an opinion, even Gas, isn't to deny Yafo his right. One does not equal the other and your logic is amiss.

And again, as you're really really having trouble with this, to defend Gas's right to speech is not supporting what he has to say. I cannot make that any clearer to you, but if you want to make a big thing out of something that isn't there, feel free.

 

[sodthisforfun]

Why do you feel it is OK for you to post abuse, then complain when other do? Remember the ad hominem comments when practically every ad hominem comment was about you and your posts.

That's because you were only looking for them with people you do not like.

 

[Yafo]

Because I don't think Gas said that we should ignore Yafo.

Please, again, let me know where I have denied Yafo his right. Or anybody's for that matter. You are always confusing things - for me to point out that anyone is allowed an opinion, even Gas, isn't to deny Yafo his right. One does not equal the other and your logic is amiss.

And again, as you're really really having trouble with this, to defend Gas's right to speech is not supporting what he has to say. I cannot make that any clearer to you, but if you want to make a big thing out of something that isn't there, feel free.

That would be a sensible and acceptable reply. If....

You hadn't attempted to ridicule, embarass and intimidate me with your comments.

No such response to gasbans obvious right wing, provocative and racist comments and support.

I agree, he is welcome to a voice, but he has no automatic right to an audience.

Free speech is a difficult thing. Either you allow EVERYTHING to be said, or you have to have limits. At what point does free speech become hatred and hate speech. I don't think anybody wants extreme comments and videos in support of any terrorist group (pick any 1 you want as an example) but you support his right topost extreme videos and viewpoints.

In any civilised society there has to be limits.

I have only ever insulted you once. When I said I couldn't dumb it down any more. If you recall, I repeated the same explanation repeatedly and I couldn't make it any simpler, and you still couldn't or wouldn't understand it.

Want to say how many times you have thrown insults at me ?

Disagree with me by all means. Try and avoid the intimidation and open agression though maybe? I don't think for 1 minute that you would be like that in person. So why on here?

 

[sodthisforfun]

That would be a sensible and acceptable reply. If....

You hadn't attempted to ridicule, embarass and intimidate me with your comments.

No such response to gasbans obvious right wing, provocative and racist comments and support.

I agree, he is welcome to a voice, but he has no automatic right to an audience.

Free speech is a difficult thing. Either you allow EVERYTHING to be said, or you have to have limits. At what point does free speech become hatred and hate speech. I don't think anybody wants extreme comments and videos in support of any terrorist group (pick any 1 you want as an example) but you support his right topost extreme videos and viewpoints.

In any civilised society there has to be limits.

I have only ever insulted you once. When I said I couldn't dumb it down any more. If you recall, I repeated the same explanation repeatedly and I couldn't make it any simpler, and you still couldn't or wouldn't understand it.

Want to say how many times you have thrown insults at me ?

Disagree with me by all means. Try and avoid the intimidation and open agression though maybe? I don't think for 1 minute that you would be like that in person. So why on here?

You said about dumb down on several occasions, not once and no, it took a LOT of me asking for you to explain things before you did. I am not the only person who has had this issue with you, it's been mentioned a few times.

If you think I have ridiculed, embarrassed or intimidated you then perhaps I wonder, kindly, if you are too sensitive. You're mistaking some sarcasm as intimidation. By the way, why is it ok to say what you said about Gas's post, which was attacking him as a person and yet you ask me to not say anything to you? I wonder what you'd think if you were on the receiving end of Iwanna's barrage of insults?

Addressing your freedom of speech. Anyone is allowed to say anything. Hate speech or inciting racial hatred is a different thing and there are laws for that. If you think 2 people having a discussion (Gas and I) about his videos is hate speech or inciting racial hatred then please, call the cops. It's up to the police then judge to decide.

As I said, I will defend his right to speak, but I don't have to like what he has to say. I would rather be able to be in a position to challenge what he has to say than slam him down which you did.

 

[ellal]

Why is this topic still allowed to stand given that other less provocative ones have disappeared, never to be seen again?

I agree with sodthis: "As I said, I will defend his right to speak, but I don't have to like what he has to say."

Sadly it appears that the content of what one has to say/the OP determines whether censorship occurs or not on diynot!

Over to you, MODS

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

Because I don't think Gas said that we should ignore Yafo.

Please, again, let me know where I have denied Yafo his right. Or anybody's for that matter.

You always jump to gasbag's, a**e end's and eeyore's defence, trying to intimidate, ridicule and insult those being critical of their views.
Like this:

You are always confusing things -
and your logic is amiss.
And again, as you're really really having trouble with this
I cannot make that any clearer to you, but if you want to make a big thing out of something that isn't there, feel free.

And a total rant:

I got a bit bored after the first couple of lines.
The second and third lines made me laugh out loud coming from you!
Yet you cannot see that you do anything wrong! You see it as your job on here to 'shout down' a person's point of view that you disagree with
Then you tend to move onto topics such as being banned or gas engineers, or something of that silly nature. Different day, same old.....

It is blind loyalty irrespective of the content of their opinion, which is invariably racist, offensive or abusive.
You are equally abusive and offensive, but you think you are not.
And you are hypocritical with it.
(Remember when you re-registered and within a few minutes you were being abusive while pretending to be a new member)
(Remember when you wanted me banned, just a few days ago)

for me to point out that anyone is allowed an opinion, even Gas, isn't to deny Yafo his right.

Then why did you feel the need to intervene?

to defend Gas's right to speech is not supporting what he has to say.

Then why do you always feel the need to intervene, always in defence of gasbag, a**e end or eeyore? Never in defence of anyone else.
Is it just them that you feel you need to defend their right to an opinion?
Your excuse for intervening looks like a typical dodgy, weaving excuse for defending the indefensible.

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

As I said, I will defend his right to speak, but I don't have to like what he has to say. I would rather be able to be in a position to challenge what he has to say than slam him down which you did.

So you agree with yafo's sentiment, but you disagree with his methods?
Likewise, you must agree with my sentiments, but disagree with my methods?
What a joker!

 

[Yafo]

You said about dumb down on several occasions, not once and no, it took a LOT of me asking for you to explain things before you did. I am not the only person who has had this issue with you, it's been mentioned a few times.

If you think I have ridiculed, embarrassed or intimidated you then perhaps I wonder, kindly, if you are too sensitive. You're mistaking some sarcasm as intimidation. By the way, why is it ok to say what you said about Gas's post, which was attacking him as a person and yet you ask me to not say anything to you? I wonder what you'd think if you were on the receiving end of Iwanna's barrage of insults?

Addressing your freedom of speech. Anyone is allowed to say anything. Hate speech or inciting racial hatred is a different thing and there are laws for that. If you think 2 people having a discussion (Gas and I) about his videos is hate speech or inciting racial hatred then please, call the cops. It's up to the police then judge to decide.

As I said, I will defend his right to speak, but I don't have to like what he has to say. I would rather be able to be in a position to challenge what he has to say than slam him down which you did.

1 I said dumb down on 1 thread only, on the same subject. I stand by my comment. I could not have made it simpler. I have never made that comment to anybody else, so what issue is this? Just an automatic dislike of me, or a disagreement of a point of view?

2 I am not too sensitive. I can take the childish petty insults. The fact that they come in hordes from you, is noticeable, do you notice it? Do you think your opinion is the only 1 that counts? If not, accept other opinions and argue the point of view, don't keep lowering yourself to childish insults. It doesn't hellp your cause. Think it bothers me? Think again. But if you want to throw them, then you have to take them too. Can you ?

3 Freedom of speech. Call the cops over a forum? Are you serious? Why not open your eyes and look at his posts. If you think he is not inciting hatred, then how would you feel if people were presenting videos and information supporting terrorists and extremists? My point is, he is free to speak. He does not have any right to an audience. The only people that watch his propoganda are those that want easy misinformation put in front of them. So if free speech is your point, explain the insults aimed at me, but none at gasban etc? You are not defending free speech, you are defending racism, by bullying.

4 I have not asked for him to be banned or anything. He is free to keep presenting his misinformation. Don't expect me, or many others to sit through it. See how free speech works. Some people just know what's coming, by his continuous stream of the same type of stuff, so they don't even look at it. Ask yourself why other people lap it up. Then think about free speech.

Now, do you want to carry on being childish, or keep your comments less personal? Try growing up a bit !

 

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

If you think I have ridiculed, embarrassed or intimidated you then perhaps I wonder, kindly, if you are too sensitive. You're mistaking some sarcasm as intimidation.

Sodshitforfun's insults is just sarcasm and is OK, but anyone else's is abuse, and should not be allowed.