Replacing Consumer Unit box

I would change the box for cosmetic reasons as well as mounting it on a board. That’s if I’m “allowed” to
There is no 'allowed' or not - the only difference is some things are notifiable to building control and will cost non-trivial amounts to do so, others are not notifiable.

There is no requirement or reason to mount consumer units on a board of any kind - the days of open backed fuseboxes with an optional paxolin backing plate are long gone. Anything made in the last 40+ years can just be fixed directly to the wall.

The consumer unit is original from 1989.
Shoving devices from 35 years ago into a new metal enclosure not designed for them will not comply with BS7671, BS EN 61439-3 or the manufacturers instructions.

Your options are to either repair what you have, or replace with new.
 
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You can't replace the "box" without reterminating everything. It's an absolute nonsense to suggest that this wouldn't be considered to be the replacement of a DB. Anyway, that thing is 35 years old and well, well, well overdue replacement. Your whole premise is complete and utter nonsense. Get your wallet out and book an Electrician.
thank you for you kind constructive comments.
 
There is no 'allowed' or not - the only difference is some things are notifiable to building control and will cost non-trivial amounts to do so, others are not notifiable.

There is no requirement or reason to mount consumer units on a board of any kind - the days of open backed fuseboxes with an optional paxolin backing plate are long gone. Anything made in the last 40+ years can just be fixed directly to the wall.


Shoving devices from 35 years ago into a new metal enclosure not designed for them will not comply with BS7671, BS EN 61439-3 or the manufacturers instructions.

Your options are to either repair what you have, or replace with new.
Thank you

Every quote I had for upgrading the whole lot included mounting on a osb type board. Odd that. My inclination is always to wall mount

I totally disagree with the rest of your comments however

So thanks again all but I’m done here on this thread
 
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Be nice to upgrade in theory but the actual advantage is zero IMO. House is fine on MCBs and always has been. I have no leaks across the system. The box has an SPD.

Mind you if I win the lottery I might get it upgraded. But I really do appreciate all the views. It’s why I asked of course

Who is to know, who will even care. If you are comfortable doing the job, just get on and do it. 'T was what I did. I upgraded a similarly old 10 plus 2 way, desperately short of circuits pair of CU's with no inbuilt RCD's, for a modern unit with plenty of circuits, spares, and two sections of RCD's. Got to be better/safer, more up to date than before. It was on the cards to be done, for several years, I even added an isolator straight after the meter, to make it easier.

MK populated 21 way, dual RCD CU £50, was the one I fitted.
 
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You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink springs to mind

Shame about the lack of photos
 
Law is not my best subject, the part P law uses words like consumer unit, which is a type tested distribution unit, and I have never understood why the law refers to a consumer unit.

It would need case law to say if the law covers any distribution unit, and personally I would not want to be involved in making case law.

To notify seems the wrong word, it suggests the LABC can't say no, and they can, to allow some one to DIY they need to be convinced it will be safe to do so, clearly an apprenticed electrician with bits of paper to say they have the skill.

The big thing is you can't un-tell LABC, but only they can say what they will allow you to do, I was allowed to write and submit an installation certificate, but I did need to prove I have the skill and test equipment.

When it came to a full rewire, I had to decide did I want the hastle, and could I afford the time, I decided it was not, so got a scheme member to do it.

One problem I had was my test gear had died or needed calibration, so the cost to buy more or hire had to be taken into consideration, and my mother was getting on, so may need to sell or let out the house, so would need correct paperwork.

From the sound of it, you have the same problem, you have to decide if your going to comply with the spirit of the law, you may be able to claim the new unit is not a consumer unit, as not type tested, but should anything go wrong, you may make case law, and you have to consider that.
 
Law is not my best subject, the part P law uses words like consumer unit ...
As you know, "Part P" (of the Building Regulations) is just one sentence which does not include "words like consumer unit". You are presumably referring to the notification requirements specified in the Building Regulations, but it would probably reduce the potential confusion to readers if you did not repaetwdly refer to it as "Part P".
, which is a type tested distribution unit ...
Only in the context of BS7671. The Building Regs do not define "consumer unit", so we cannot know for sure what it is intended to mean. However,I would suspect that the intention was to refer to distribution units in general, whethjer they satisfied the BS7671 definition of a CU or not.
, and I have never understood why the law refers to a consumer unit.
Presumably because the "law is the law" is and not BS7671 (which is the only 'official' place I know that there is an explicit definition of "consumer unit").
 
Presumably because the "law is the law" is and not BS7671 (which is the only 'official' place I know that there is an explicit definition of "consumer unit").
Very true, we have seen with electrical installation where we as electricians have seen it as being fixed wiring up to the equipment, and the equipment as being an other group, although the BS 7671 does not say that, any item for such purposes as generation, conversion, transmission, distribution or utilisation of electrical energy, we see as being equipment not part of the installation.

As to Part P yes it is what requires notification that we often refer to as being Part P. To my mind it does not really matter if the work satisfies the law, what matters is that it is safe.
I don’t want the expense of getting this tested and certified
This is the worrying bit, the idea of doing the work without testing once complete is where I see the problem. The testing of the ELCB/RCD is the main problem, from the point where we first started to use earth rods, we have needed to test, and when the RCD came out I found that cables putting a strain on the terminals can cause them to malfunction, so we need the tester, we can't measure 40 ms with a stop watch. We also need to ensure the earth is good enough, be it the earth rod tester with the test probes, or a loop impedance tester, it needs testing and the equipment to test is expensive both to buy and hire, the latter is expensive due to the cost of calibration after each hire.

As an electrician most of my working life, the test gear was the firms, I did for a short time have my own, but today all I have is the low ohm meter, insulation tester, and multi-meter. I can likely borrow the loop impedance and RCD tester from where I work, but I don't any longer have my own.

The bit which I can't understand is, why would an electricians ask the question to start with?
 
The OP claiming to be a retired spark is demonstrating that they have a reckless attitude towards their electric s
 
As to Part P yes it is what requires notification that we often refer to as being Part P. ....
You certainly often do, but I think that those of us who understand do try not to.
To my mind it does not really matter if the work satisfies the law, what matters is that it is safe....
It does not matter a jot to those of us who understand. but it could well confuse those who don't. I might have expected you to realise this more than most of us since, whilst "Part P" is exactly the same in both England and Wales, the notification requirements are very different in the two countries.
 
Wales is a principality, it is same country as England. This is why the Welsh flag is not part of the Union Jack.
From wales.com:

What is Wales, exactly?

Wales is a country that forms part of the island of Great Britain. There are three countries that make up this island: Wales, and our neighbours England and Scotland.
 
From wales.com:

What is Wales, exactly?

Wales is a country that forms part of the island of Great Britain. There are three countries that make up this island: Wales, and our neighbours England and Scotland.
What happened to Isle of man then?

The Welsh Prince became the English King, so Wales is a Principality and England and Wales is a Kingdom, they have been united as a Kingdom for some time now.

It was pointed out as it had been pointed out to me that Part P law is not the same as the requirement to notify, I am not sure if that means the requirement to notify is not a law, it does seem rules and laws are not the same, our rule book, BS 7671 is not law, but can be used in a court of law.

Approved Documents are individual guides on how to adhere to the building regulations.
However they are a guide, not even a regulation, the new landlord law about having an EICR done, links to the actual law, but same is not true with the guides for building regulations, which raises the question where does it say the work needs to be registered in law?

I have been surprised to see how much today needs registering, doors, windows, etc, etc. And frankly I don't really care, when this house is sold, I will be dead.
 
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