Resident in Relocatable Property

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

My apologies (especially for those that suffer from ADS) for resurrecting a previous closed discussion, but I'm not resurrecting the same discussion, but drawing a new comparison. I have used woody's comment merely as a starting point and because it was the first in the 'most recent' search category.

The singular purpose of the thread is to open discussion, seek out other knowledge, hear opinions (not racist comments), and develop a more open minded approach.

I am comparing the criticism against China for the treatment of Uighurs in China, with that of UK's treatment of residents in relocatable property (boats and caravans specifically).
Please note, I am not defending or criticising either practice, merely contrasting the criticism of China's policy towards Uighurs with that of UK's policy towards residents in relocatable property.

Residents in relocatable property in UK hardly exist at all. That is because it is almost impossible to become a resident in relocatable property in UK.
Residential caravan parks are very few and far between, and those that do exist cater only for the static type caravans. It is not possible to live, or be registered as resident, in other caravan parks due to their restrictions.
Residential boats also are extremely limited, expensive, restrictive, or you need to live below the radar.

In comparison, in France, there is a "residential in relocatable property" category. This allows a nomadic lifestyle for those that choose it. It allows such residents to pay taxes, register for state institutions, etc. I haven't researched other European countries to see if they also allow a "residential in relocatable property" category.

Now to contrast the UK policy with the Chinese policy against Uighurs.
The UK policy could almost be compared to a cultural ethnocide, intentionally legislating out of existence certain cultural practices. An analogy could be used such as legislating out of existence, for example, haggis or Cornish pasties. It is legislating out of existence certain sections of British culture, just because they are minority cultures.

The same could be argued for the Chinese policy towards Uighurs.

Are UK citizens in the moral high ground to criticise such Chinese policies that compare so closely to UK policies?

 

[Trazor]

What bloody nonsense you post at times.

1.5 million Uighurs forcibly relocated......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinji..., it was,secretive internment camps which are

Where is the equivalence in the UK.......

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

What bloody nonsense you post at times.

1.5 million Uighurs forcibly relocated......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#:~:text=As of 2019, it was,secretive internment camps which are

Where is the equivalence in the UK.......

It isn't a numbers game. It's a case of does the UK have the moral high ground when it invokes a similar policy.
This is data from a one year report. It means that about 10,000 people had an option: continue to break the law and live below the radar, or forsake their culture. And children are socialised into a culture of having to live below the radar

A chronic national shortage of Gypsy and Traveller sites in England means that over 3000 families have no lawful place to stop.
https://www.gypsy-traveller.org/accommodation/
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UK parliament is seeking to strengthen the legislation against a nomadic lifestyle.

 

[durhamplumber]

A chronic national shortage of Gypsy and Traveller sites in England means that over 3000 families have no lawful place to stop.

What is it with your Gypsy rights Obsession..They have sites in Co.Durham with Bungalows....Etc...and still want to live in their caravans in the garden...pay no council tax etc...Mash up the local parks with their horse trotting trailers...The verges are blocked off wherever possible otherwise they arrive on mass in the summer, camp for weeks, stray horses cause accidents..They pull the fences down to burn, generally cause nuisance then leave all their mess behind..Year after year after year no matter what site improvements are given.They are not some downtrodden abused class of people with no quality of life no help etc.

 

[Trazor]

It isn't a numbers game. It's a case of does the UK have the moral high ground when it invokes a similar policy.

I think you missed the part about forcible relocation into Camps.

 

[durhamplumber]

forsake their culture.

""Culture"" at times is a cover all, abused term..The same arguments are used in NI ref the Orange Marches etc...As I have stated...The gypsies in CO Durham think part of their culture is to go to the toilet outside
..no matter where they are...Is that ok with you if they are in your back lane or vicinity of your house..After all.You are the champion of upholding gypsy culture and rights?And whilst there, let their dogs run loose in the back lane so the locals need to find new dog walking routes every summer?? YES...Those poor Gypsies.

 

[durhamplumber]

It is legislating out of existence certain sections of British culture, just because they are minority cultures.

Times change..NI being a classic example..More and more pressure on the countryside and more vehicles on roads etc is going to conflict with gypsy wandering and wanton disregard for others and the countryside.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I think you missed the part about forcible relocation into Camps.

Is that worse, or as bad as, simple eviction, with no place to go, other than the next illegal site?

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Times change..NI being a classic example..More and more pressure on the countryside and more vehicles on roads etc is going to conflict with gypsy wandering and wanton disregard for others and the countryside.

I think you are missing the point of the thread:

Are UK citizens in the moral high ground to criticise such Chinese policies that compare so closely to UK policies?

Unless you are trying to justify the 'legislation out of existence' a minority culture.

 

[^woody^]

at times

 

[Vinty]

What bloody nonsense you post at times.

1.5 million Uighurs forcibly relocated......https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps#:~:text=As of 2019, it was,secretive internment camps which are

Where is the equivalence in the UK.......

Different strokes for different folks, as they say.
Islamic fundamentalism is a Global threat.
The Chinese have their way of dealing with it, other countries do things somewhat differently.

https://www-newyorker-com.cdn.amppr...e/2020/12/21/americas-war-on-syrian-civilians

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Different strokes for different folks, as they say.
Islamic fundamentalism is a Global threat.
The Chinese have their way of dealing with it, other countries do things somewhat differently.
https://www-newyorker-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/12/21/americas-war-on-syrian-civilians/amp?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA==#aoh=16109906524674&referrer=https://www.google.com&amp_tf=From %1$s&ampshare=https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/12/21/americas-war-on-syrian-civilians

I really don't want this thread to descend into another discussion on the merits or not of the issues.
I intended it merely as a vehicle to compare and contrast the stance taken by UK against Chinese policy, when the UK is also conducting a comparable policy against a minority.
Therefore, it's a case of examining does the UK have the moral high ground?
I did specifically state that I was not defending nor criticising either policy.

Please note, I am not defending or criticising either practice, merely contrasting the criticism of China's policy towards Uighurs with that of UK's policy towards residents in relocatable property.

 

[Trazor]

I would be interested to know where I posted "At times"

 

[Trazor]

When the UK is also conducting a comparable policy against a minority.

No one believes it is comparable, that's why the discussion has turned to the merits of these issues.

 

[durhamplumber]

I think you are missing the point of the thread:

Unless you are trying to justify the 'legislation out of existence' a minority culture.

Times change..People need to adapt..stop using such emotive over the top expressions such as "" legislate out of existence""no one is suggesting anything anywhere approaching that