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[carmanmemoranda]

It's all that Stasi B8ch Merkels fault saying Germany will accept one million migrants and then go on to cherry pick the ones they wanted and palm all the dross that was left to the rest of the EU , and thus opening the doors to people smuggling gangs, its all the Krauts fault and we do not want to go in the same direction as Iv'e said before we dont want or need them!

Vented your spleen?
Any facts to go with your anti German tirade?

 

[Pat ex]

It's all that Stasi B8ch Merkels fault saying Germany will accept one million migrants and then go on to cherry pick the ones they wanted and palm all the dross that was left to the rest of the EU , and thus opening the doors to people smuggling gangs, its all the Krauts fault and we do not want to go in the same direction as Iv'e said before we dont want or need them!

When an application for asylum is submitted, the receiving country processes it based on its merits, not the skill or qualifications of the applicant.

If the "dross" as you call them, the ones Germany did not, were left to the rest of the EU, then that excludes UK.
Unless you've been hiding in a hole somewhere for the last 6 years, and were unaware that the UK has left the EU, including any agreement to return refugees to the first country of application.

Judging by your inability to express yourself without resorting to pejorative terms, I suspect you'd be better off back in your hole, because your understanding of the refugee situation is clouded by your obvious prejudice.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Ok, forget the initial housing before asylum is decided but as I said in my post, assuming they are granted asylum, what happens to them then? Are they just chucked out on the street to fend for themselves or are they helped into some kind of social housing? That's all I'd expect for our own homeless people. Nothing more and certainly nothing less but that doesn't seem to be the case to me and many others.

You're obviously not wrong to want better support for homeless people, however as touched on before, homelessness is a multi-faceted problem that will still exist whether or not we're housing migrants.

Kind of connected, I watched the 2nd episode of Brian Cox (the older actor one) tv prog last night where he considers the (widening) gap between rich and poor. The whole topic about poor v rich, are we doing enough to support these people is complex with no straightforward answers.

For example on the above tv prog they discussed how New York is a magnate for homeless people within that state and from others. Because it's the only state that has a policy to offer any homeless person shelter. However ... many of the 'shelters' are a hot bed for undesirables, so people end up not using them and sleeping back on the street. In addition, the shelters are often owned by private companies that are raking it in from the government and paying their CEOs massive salaries.

Complex, multi-faceted issues that won't be resolved if we removed every single migrant tomorrow.

 

[Mottie]

that's different from your previ ous comnent though.

Not really. Same point (in bold) was made in that post too.

"Call me naïve but can anyone tell me why a young indigenous married couple who have worked for say, 5 years in low paid jobs cannot get some kind of social housing yet it seems that anyone who hops off of a dinghy in Kent is immediately put into some kind of shelter/hostel/hotel/motel or whatever while they wait for an asylum claim to be decided and if successful are given a house/flat before our own homeless people ?"

 

[Dork Lard]

Not really. Same point (in bold) was made in that post too.

"Call me naïve but can anyone tell me why a young indigenous married couple who have worked for say, 5 years in low paid jobs cannot get some kind of social housing yet it seems that anyone who hops off of a dinghy in Kent is immediately put into some kind of shelter/hostel/hotel/motel or whatever while they wait for an asylum claim to be decided and if successful are given a house/flat before our own homeless people ?"

Are this "young indigenous married couple who have worked for say, 5 years in low paid jobs" homeless???

 

[Pat ex]

Are this "young indigenous married couple who have worked for say, 5 years in low paid jobs" homeless???

Urban mythology doesn't do logic.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

To be fair to Notch, I don’t think that’s quite what he said.

He said a million per year, in a slightly older post than the one you quote.

Andy, my apologies I was only winding you up, I didn’t realise you would take it seriously.

of course 1 million net, would not be sustainable.

You might not like it but the reality is this country needs a fair level of foreign workers to sustain its economy….there is no other fix to this in the short or medium term

I did laugh so don't worry BUT my questions remain because you and your ilk do want a constant high number of immigrants; never put a number or a limit on how many you want and never have a plan of how they will be managed.

I must admit the streets are almost empty in some cities, where there are no immigrants

here is the rather lovely Pyongyang:

I can't see a picture.

Haven't you noticed? There isn't enough of it which is why councils have massive waiting lists

Revealed: How 500,000 immigrants have been given social housing in last decade as number of families on waiting list hits record high

National census figures show that while 1.8million families in the UK are on the waiting list, 1.2million foreigners live in social housing. Somali asylum seeker Saeed Khalif (pictured) was given a £2million home in Hampstead - one of the country's most exclusive neighbourhoods.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Lack of GP appointments. Is that more down to migrants or poor longer term planning by our government about GP recruitment etc?

Nearly 7 million new registrations by migrants with General Practitioners since 2010 - Migration Watch UK Blog

General practice in England alone provides over 300 million patient consultations each year. But what pressure does the uncontrolled, mass immigration that we have now put on the NHS? Analysis of statistics produced by the Office for National Statistics (based upon data from NHS Digital) show...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

 

[Pat ex]

I did laugh so don't worry BUT my questions remain because you and your ilk do want a constant high number of immigrants; never put a number or a limit on how many you want and never have a plan of how they will be managed.

Who's fault is that?
It's certainly not the fault of the migrants.

Revealed: How 500,000 immigrants have been given social housing in last decade as number of families on waiting list hits record high

National census figures show that while 1.8million families in the UK are on the waiting list, 1.2million foreigners live in social housing. Somali asylum seeker Saeed Khalif (pictured) was given a £2million home in Hampstead - one of the country's most exclusive neighbourhoods.

www.dailymail.co.uk

From the Daily Mail

Nearly 7 million new registrations by migrants with General Practitioners since 2010 - Migration Watch UK Blog

General practice in England alone provides over 300 million patient consultations each year. But what pressure does the uncontrolled, mass immigration that we have now put on the NHS? Analysis of statistics produced by the Office for National Statistics (based upon data from NHS Digital) show...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

MigrationWatch UK is a British think-tank and campaign group which argues for lower immigration into the United Kingdom

About-us​

Migration Watch UK is an independent and non-political ...

See the problem?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Nearly 7 million new registrations by migrants with General Practitioners since 2010 - Migration Watch UK Blog

General practice in England alone provides over 300 million patient consultations each year. But what pressure does the uncontrolled, mass immigration that we have now put on the NHS? Analysis of statistics produced by the Office for National Statistics (based upon data from NHS Digital) show...

www.migrationwatchuk.org

My point stands. Is the lack of available GP appointments predominantly down to poor planning or the migrants themselves? And how many of those migrants are working and contributing to the tax take, or are they exclusively not working/not contributing?

Hi Jim, can I book my car in for a service and mot please?
Yeah of course Brian, I can book it in for 6 weeks today if that suits?
6 weeks Jim? But you used to be able to take it within a week or two tops?
Yeah I know. But I'm the only garage in the area Brian. In the 30 years I've been open, the level of car ownership in this area has gone up big time!
But surely you planned for that Jim when you saw the increase starting? Take on an apprentice, open another service bay? Some forward planning?
Emmm .....

 

[Deleted member 18243]

My point stands. Is the lack of available GP appointments predominantly down to poor planning or the migrants themselves? And how many of those migrants are working and contributing to the tax take, or are they exclusively not working/not contributing?

Hi Jim, can I book my car in for a service and mot please?
Yeah of course Brian, I can book it in for 6 weeks today if that suits?
6 weeks Jim? But you used to be able to take it within a week or two tops?
Yeah I know. But I'm the only garage in the area Brian. In the 30 years I've been open, the level of car ownership in this area has gone up big time!
But surely you planned for that Jim when you saw the increase starting? Take on an apprentice, open another service bay? Some forward planning?
Emmm .....

You are comparing public with private. The garage would go out of business if its service was poor, whereas the NHS is a communist monolith, and therefore poor performance and labyrinthine complexity is to be expected. Think of all those non-jobs that have to be paid for.

 

[JohnD]

communist

You are barmy

 

[fillyboy]

whereas the NHS is a communist monolith, and therefore poor performance and labyrinthine complexity is to be expected. Think of all those non-jobs that have to be paid for.

Well, they've got the extra 350 million a week (£394 million by 23/24), I suppose they can afford a few more diversity managers.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

"...a communist monolith..."

I wonder what the opposite would be? Maybe a private nirvana where poor people wouldn't be admitted and be left to die on the streets, but where the rich would get good, but very expensive treatment. A bit like the USA

 

[Deleted member 174758]

Well, they've got the extra 350 million a week

 

[gant]

You are comparing public with private. The garage would go out of business if its service was poor, whereas the NHS is a communist monolith, and therefore poor performance and labyrinthine complexity is to be expected. Think of all those non-jobs that have to be paid for.

Jims working for himself and notices a nice bunce working for himself, why become a social worker trying to straighten out what comes out of the educational system by taking on staff?