Riots and damage compensation

[Mrs Ten Names]

Thanks, yes I’m right.

The legislation is quite clear.

if you think so, but I disagree.

Still not a word about civil commotion or political disturbance is there Mrs Doubtfyre?

Exactly, it's completely absent from the Act.
As is war, or terrorism, etc.

Are you going to acknowledge you were quoting an out of date source?

Not at all.
We were both quoting from the 2016 Act, and I was quoting from the ABI guidance.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

As per what has already been posted, SoS, PCC and the MoLO would all need to follow the legislation.

And in the case of a Claims Bureau being created, that decision is out of the authority of the PCC and the MoL.
And the situation absolutely meets the criteria for a Claims Bureau being created.

 

[denso13]

Still not a word about civil commotion or political disturbance

Only riots are covered, nothing else.

 

[kingandy2nd]

Only riots are covered, nothing else.

Riots would include those, if the definition has been met for a riot. Which it has in virtually all of the last week’s events I’d say. So what’s your point?

 

[kingandy2nd]

if you think so, but I disagree.

Exactly, it's completely absent from the Act.
As is war, or terrorism, etc.


Not at all.
We were both quoting from the 2016 Act, and I was quoting from the ABI guidance.

Getting tiresome now.

Hot air balloon crashes are also absent from the act because they are not relevant as not compensation would be provided for such an event.

Maybe I’ll try a different tact - consider this: can an incident only be a political disturbance or a riot? Could one not decent into the other? And if it did, and it met the definition of a riot, then do you not think it would be a valid riot in the eyes of the legislation?

You were quoting , and relying upon, the ABI article which was written before the RCA legislation I was referring to was put in place.

 

[kingandy2nd]

And in the case of a Claims Bureau being created, that decision is out of the authority of the PCC and the MoL.
And the situation absolutely meets the criteria for a Claims Bureau being created.

You clearly don’t understand the purpose of the claims bureau in this instance

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

You were quoting , and relying upon, the ABI article which was written before the RCA legislation I was referring to was put in place.

What is the date on the ABI Guidance?
The 2013 Guide is no longer available.,

 

[denso13]

So what’s your point?

You keep asking to be shown that civil commotion or political disturbance are not included in the compensation scheme.

I have shown you that which was my point.

 

[kingandy2nd]

You keep asking to be shown that civil commotion or political disturbance are not included in the compensation scheme.

I have shown you that which was my point.

You’ve not shown my anything of these sort.

Edit: Mrs Doubtfrye is trying to claim that this weeks event’s would be classed as something a other than a riot, and is claiming that the out of date ABI guidance note referring to civil commotion or political disturbances, would be reason to deny claims under the RCA2016.

I am saying that the event of this week would be covered by the definition of a riot and therefore would be covered.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

You clearly don’t understand the purpose of the claims bureau in this instance

The Claims Bureau is to coordinate all of the claims when or where the claims are geographically too far ranging.

 

[denso13]

You’ve not shown my anything of these sort.

Where are they mentioned in the compensation Act?

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

... can an incident only be a political disturbance or a riot? Could one not decent into the other? And if it did, and it met the definition of a riot, then do you not think it would be a valid riot in the eyes of the legislation?

That will be the SoS's decision.
Perhaps this helps:

"Where you have organised groups planning activity for the purposes of advancing [an] ideology... planning really, really serious disruption then yes, we will consider terrorism offences."

Riots and disorder in the UK: Top prosecutor considers terrorism charges over riots, as more suspects face court

Director of Public Prosecutions Stephen Parkinson tells the BBC he is "willing" to look at charging people with terror offences.

www.bbc.com

 

[fillyboy]

You could just apologise and admit you were wrong to use out of date sources.

You must be new here.

 

[kingandy2nd]

Where are they mentioned in the compensation Act?

That’s my point, they are not. You’ve got the wrong end of the stick here.

As per my edit on my previous post:

Mrs Doubtfrye is trying to claim that this weeks event’s would be classed as something a other than a riot, and is claiming that the out of date ABI guidance note referring to civil commotion or political disturbances, would be reason to deny claims under the RCA2016.

I am saying that the event of this week would be covered by the definition of a riot and therefore would be covered.

There is no reference to civil commotion or political disturbances for inclusion or exclusion from the act.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

You must be new here.

The ABI Guidance that I referred to is not dated.
But the 201 guidance states it's been superseded.
And the 2013 guidance is just not available.
So it must be post 2016.