Rishi or Liz?

[ajohn]

It binds us

Maybe we need unbinding - political views too polarised. Almost a religious fervour these days. Me I am a bit agnostic. This could cause me to swing my vote due to how things are. A problem though - I have seen the results of both parties being in power. Problems are often due to external world wide isssues so pointless blaming who ever is in power. Those have to be ignored yet sides jump on them and associate blame. Then come propaganda. The Tory stuff is seldom questioned and some has been around for a long time now. In my view Labour is not so good at using it.

Looking after the books

Debt under Conservatives 2010-19 - Economics Help

From 2010 to 2019, total gross government debt (1) increased by £643 bn from £1.2 trillion to £1.8 trillion. UK Public sector debt 2010 - £1,194.3bn2019 - £1,838.2bn A more helpful statistic is to consider debt as a percentage of GDP In 2010 Q2, public sector debt was 64.7% of…

www.economicshelp.org

It's very obvious why it started to increase but why has it continued to arise and still is? We are up to ~£2.4t now when it seems that covid outlay was £70b yet we are doing great according to the figures they choose to quote.

 

[motorbiking]

Truss confirmed as next PM. 20k vote lead

 

[JP_]

Rishi would be better I think, but it was a one horse race really. Some voters must have been torn though - vote for a woman or a brown person?!?
So far, Truss has only come across as a completely mad person with some very worrying comments. But then, can things really get any worse?

 

[ajohn]

Truss confirmed as next PM. 20k vote lead

Some think this will result in a split in the Tory mp's etc.

A rather interesting aspect will be the people in the cabinet she forms. Maybe that is pre arranged to allow her to make statements very quickly or maybe they will concern ideas already sorted by the previous lot. Maybe she doesn't need them and will do the lot by herself.

 

[motorbiking]

I honestly don't think it was Bird vs Brown. The Tory members didn't like the back stabbing - loyalty is important. I'm not a Tory member, I think she seems pretty dull like Starmer. Dull & Duller now up against each other. Neither are showing good leadership skills

 

[Tigercubrider]

57% v 43%

She will be out of her depth.

 

[Pat ex]

The new PM has been selected by about 100,000 people (I can't say voters because some of them are not UK electorate), from a choice of two, out of an electorate of about 47,000,000.

Less than 0.2% of the UK electorate chose the new PM.

That's a long way from democracy.

 

[Mottie]

The new PM has been selected by about 100,000 people (I can't say voters because some of them are not UK electorate), from a choice of two, out of an electorate of about 47,000,000. That's a long way from democracy.

So what would you suggest? A General election with the only choices being between Tory mp's?

 

[Justin Passing]

I had more faith in Theresa May. Worrying

 

[ajohn]

Truss confirmed as next PM. 20k vote lead

14% Margin. It seems her supporters would prefer it to be larger.

We can expect magic. All sorted in a few years. Economy, power costs and the NHS.

One of the best bits of propaganda put out about her was that she is like a hand grenade where ever she works.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Neither are showing good leadership skills

Nor did her predecessor. We are just going to get more of the same.

 

[Pat ex]

So what would you suggest? A General election with the only choices being between Tory mp's?

It would seem to me that any improvement would be exactly that, an improvement.

 

[Justin Passing]

14% Margin. It seems her supporters would prefer it to be larger.

43 to 57%, = ~32% more votes. But yes I expected more.

 

[motorbiking]

People challenge the system when the results aren't the ones they like. The public will get a chance to vote on her soon enough. She better pull her socks up. At the end of the day none of the lefties are going to be pleased they have a new conservative PM. For them its like being offered a bag of wasps to eat with a choice of salt n vinegar or cheese and onion.

 

[ajohn]

The Tory members didn't like the back stabbing - loyalty is important.

I don't think that has much to do with it really. Lady, right noises for the Tory members etc. Sunak will probably also be seen as a reason for some aspects of where we are. However the treasury are involved in taxation decisions. Truss says ignore them.

Truss will announce her new cabinet on Tuesday. Kwarteng will be her chancellor, while James Cleverly, a Foreign Office minister, is expected to be promoted to foreign secretary. Suella Braverman, attorney-general, is expected to replace Priti Patel as home secretary.
From the FT.