RNLI takes down its website after suspected hacking attempt

[AngleEyes]

Denmark has done it without any apparent legal issues.

Denmark has not returned any refugees, wha had been previously approved asylum seekers, to their country of origin.
They are mostly Syrians that are involved, and Denmark has no treaty with Syria for such a return of refugees to be possible.
A discussion of sending them to Rwanda has been mooted, but that would probably be illegal.
In addition, the policy has attracted severs criticism from UN, EU, etc.
So it's very much like UK's two tier strategy, all bluff and bluster designed for home dog whistling, but no tangible effect or benefit.

 

[motorbiking]

You're asking the wrong question.
What would be the point in spending a long cold night hiding in the dunes, boarding a small RIB in the middle of winter for which you've forked maybe thousands of dosh, that is overcrowded, to risk a hazardous Channel crossing, simply to surrender to French border patrol who will return them back to France, only for them to have to hand over another wad of cash for another attempt.


Isn't what illegal, refusing to be rescued because you don't consider yourself to be in danger, then later, in mid-Channel, deciding that you are in danger, and agree to be rescued?
It would be dangerous, and possibly illegal for France to take any refugee boat by force.

Do you believe it is illegal to be paid to assist a refugee entering the UK - simple yes or no?

I'm no expert on French Law, but I would expect their border force equiv. have a legal right to board any vessel in their territorial waters as do ours. If. they find people who do not have a legal right to be in France and who do not seek asylum, then I would imagine a crime is committed under the French equivalent legislation to our own.

You're asking the wrong questions.
The question you should be asking is: why does UK government not make a safe route for asylum seekers?
It would immediately obliterate the 'people smuggling' market, save the RNLI a lot of risk and cash, and demonstrate UK as a civil, moral and ethical country.
If it were not for the RNLI, the UK would be seen internationally as a heartless country, devoid of any care for refugees. Only the actions of the RNLI prevents that reputation for the UK.

I think that is the entire point. Various countries employ "successful" strategies to discourage migrants (including Refugees), they appear to do it legally. Those tasked with monitoring on behalf of the UN call it a spiral to the bottom. With each country making it more toxic than the neighbour. Like it or hate it - it works. The article I linked shows a reduction in refugees follows a hostile stance. That can be housing them in inhumane conditions, giving them a kicking and taking them to the border or denying their claim in the hope they will try elsewhere. I make no comment on whether its the right thing to do, only that it works. Italy, Greece, Hungary, France, Denmark etc.

Denmark has not returned any refugees, wha had been previously approved asylum seekers, to their country of origin.
They are mostly Syrians that are involved, and Denmark has no treaty with Syria for such a return of refugees to be possible.
A discussion of sending them to Rwanda has been mooted, but that would probably be illegal.
In addition, the policy has attracted severs criticism from UN, EU, etc.
So it's very much like UK's two tier strategy, all bluff and bluster designed for home dog whistling, but no tangible effect or benefit.

Net result is hostile policy = fewer applicants. That seems to be a valid observation.

 

[AngleEyes]

No queue needed to be rescued they are safe in Europe are they not??? Why jump in the sea endangering lives of emergency and other British servicemen and possibly causing the death of genuine people in the sea in boats or swimmers in distress need saving when these resources are being utilised by time wasters? How do you justify that? Absolute blind idiotic response as usual.

Why do we bother saving people who are determined to jump off a building, or smoke themselves to death, or drive dangerously, or refuse to wear seatbelts, etc?
Sometimes in life, for many, the present situation is so dire that any attempt to better one's chances are worth the risk.
Try reading a few stories hidden behind the torrent of anti-refugee propaganda.
https://separatedchild.org/our-work...CFi152ud4B3x5-k7v1sZV6C8h1jLgmegaAkAlEALw_wcB


https://madeintoamerica.org/the-gre...aoz69OdLY5SpRsBK6RMBd_nDmh-_WjCkaAnfSEALw_wcB


https://www.pacificatrocities.org/b...iHU0pQo6JYwbE8jIhG5NBZEOckrJdCXwaAjLsEALw_wcB


https://www.shelterbox.org/impact/?...hIuqf6PHZl8Yz7ADcvyl1qHavBwDqC1EaAgBCEALw_wcB

 

[AngleEyes]

Im not happy with them being anywhere. All the countries responsible for destabilising should be responsible for stabilising their home country allowing them safe return. They should be granted safe stay until the responsible has resolved the mess they made in the first place.

Including the UK who continue to sell arms to known despotic leaders.

 

[AngleEyes]

Do you believe it is illegal to be paid to assist a refugee entering the UK - simple yes or no?

Do you believe it is wrong to rescue someone in distress at sea irrespective of their nationality or status - simple yes or no?


But playing your silly game. It is not illegal to rescue anyone in distress at sea, and land them at a convenient port. If that happens to be UK, then it has not been illegal.

I'm no expert on French Law, but I would expect their border force equiv. have a legal right to board any vessel in their territorial waters as do ours. If. they find people who do not have a legal right to be in France and who do not seek asylum, then I would imagine a crime is committed under the French equivalent legislation to our own.

Nor me. But I would imagine if someone was standing at the top of the Eiffel Tower, and said, "don't come any closer or I'll jump off", I suspect that most people would tread carefully.
In addition, i suspect that some reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed or about to be, would be required to apprehend another boat.

I think that is the entire point. Various countries employ "successful" strategies to discourage migrants (including Refugees), they appear to do it legally. Those tasked with monitoring on behalf of the UN call it a spiral to the bottom. With each country making it more toxic than the neighbour. Like it or hate it - it works. The article I linked shows a reduction in refugees follows a hostile stance. That can be housing them in inhumane conditions, giving them a kicking and taking them to the border or denying their claim in the hope they will try elsewhere. I make no comment on whether its the right thing to do, only that it works. Italy, Greece, Hungary, France, Denmark etc.

You are obviously quite content with inhumanity.

Net result is hostile policy = fewer applicants. That seems to be a valid observation.

Unless it's illegal, remember TM's hostile environment campaign?

 

[festive]

Why do we bother saving people who are determined to jump off a building, or smoke themselves to death, or drive dangerously, or refuse to wear seatbelts, etc?
Sometimes in life, for many, the present situation is so dire that any attempt to better one's chances are worth the risk.
Try reading a few stories hidden behind the torrent of anti-refugee propaganda.
https://separatedchild.org/our-work...CFi152ud4B3x5-k7v1sZV6C8h1jLgmegaAkAlEALw_wcB


https://madeintoamerica.org/the-gre...aoz69OdLY5SpRsBK6RMBd_nDmh-_WjCkaAnfSEALw_wcB


https://www.pacificatrocities.org/b...iHU0pQo6JYwbE8jIhG5NBZEOckrJdCXwaAjLsEALw_wcB


https://www.shelterbox.org/impact/?...hIuqf6PHZl8Yz7ADcvyl1qHavBwDqC1EaAgBCEALw_wcB

What crap are you spouting here answer my question.

 

[festive]

Do you believe it is wrong to rescue someone in distress at sea irrespective of their nationality or status - simple yes or no?


But playing your silly game. It is not illegal to rescue anyone in distress at sea, and land them at a convenient port. If that happens to be UK, then it has not been illegal.


Nor me. But I would imagine if someone was standing at the top of the Eiffel Tower, and said, "don't come any closer or I'll jump off", I suspect that most people would tread carefully.
In addition, i suspect that some reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed or about to be, would be required to apprehend another boat.




You are obviously quite content with inhumanity.



Unless it's illegal, remember TM's hostile environment campaign?

Here we are again you don't get it do you ,or you wish to play dumb.

Please show me where they are at risk in mainland europe and how are they justified putting their lives at risk unnecessarily and others in the uk patrolling and rescue operations when their lives are not NOT at risk.

Im going to organise a group channel swim to france **** everyone it's vitally important to me i do this even though my local swimming pool is adequate i don't like it, if anyone dies trying to save someone drowning or drowns because the services are engaged pandering to my pointless exercise fck them.

 

[motorbiking]

In addition, i suspect that some reasonable suspicion of a crime being committed or about to be, would be required to apprehend another boat.

Thats not correct of our own. They have greater powers than a police officer.

FYI, I've been bordered dozens of times by Border patrols, they all have their specific gotchas they like to check, depending on the country and flag you fly. In the med, I'm normally French VAT and Greek registered, so often get checked.

 

[AngleEyes]

What crap are you spouting here answer my question.

Which question?
If you're going to take that attitude, do you really think you're deserving of the courtesy of an answer?

 

[festive]

Which question?
If you're going to take that attitude, do you really think you're deserving of the courtesy of an answer?

There was ONE question in that single paragraph. Ill ask it again.

Why jump in the sea in a tiny dinghy endangering lives of emergency and other British servicemen and possibly causing the death of genuine people in the sea in boats or swimmers in distress need saving when these resources are being utilised by time wasters? How do you justify that?

 

[AngleEyes]

Here we are again you don't get it do you ,or you wish to play dumb.

Please show me where they are at risk in mainland europe and how are they justified putting their lives at risk unnecessarily and others in the uk patrolling and rescue operations when their lives are not NOT at risk.

Im going to organise a group channel swim to france **** everyone it's vitally important to me i do this even though my local swimming pool is adequate i don't like it, if anyone dies trying to save someone drowning or drowns because the services are engaged pandering to my pointless exercise fck them.

I suggest you organise a boat to accompany you and your group. You can bet your life someone will need rescuing.
Can I suggest you read the Channel Swimming Association's advice, and follow their rules.
https://www.channelswimmingassociation.com/swim-advice/regulations

 

[AngleEyes]

What queue are you referring to?
Is there a queue to be rescued?
Or do you mean the queue for the safe route for applying for asylum in UK?

No queue needed to be rescued they are safe in Europe are they not??? Why jump in the sea endangering lives of emergency and other British servicemen and possibly causing the death of genuine people in the sea in boats or swimmers in distress need saving when these resources are being utilised by time wasters? How do you justify that? Absolute blind idiotic response as usual.

There was ONE question in that single paragraph. Ill ask it again.

Evidently you can't count, you still asked two questions, not one. And you never answered my questions.

 

[festive]

Evidently you can't count, and you never answered my questions.

And hence i don't talk to you and your pedantic replies once again, you have nothing of any value or credibility to add, goodbye. I don't know what it is with you, i feel for you if this is your life, at the same time learn some basic common sense boy.

 

[AngleEyes]

Thats not correct of our own. They have greater powers than a police officer.

FYI, I've been bordered dozens of times by Border patrols, they all have their specific gotchas they like to check, depending on the country and flag you fly. In the med, I'm normally French VAT and Greek registered, so often get checked.

I see you're still devouring the DM anti-refugee stories. Or have you started contributing now?

You think a warship is the best vessel to apprehend an inflatable?

French warships escorted the blow-up vessels here before dumping them on Border Force
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...takes-54m-taking-action-Channel-step-far.html​

 

[AngleEyes]

And hence i don't talk to you and your pedantic replies once again, you have nothing of any value or credibility to add, goodbye. I don't know what it is with you,

Bye.

i feel for you if this is your life, at the same time learn some basic common sense boy.

Basic common courtesy? Like festive knows all about that:

What crap are you spouting here answer my question.

Here we are again you don't get it do you ,or you wish to play dumb.

pandering to my pointless exercise fck them.

You upset because I'm not pandering to your pointless exercise?