RoI rejects religion...

[Micilin]

this helps sum it up.

romans 1;22

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

King James Version (KJV)

As Usual, selective nonsense that ignores the rest of the law.


Would you stone someone who kept a goat in a field with sheep? Or who wore clothes made of different fibres? Don't just pick some bible rules, follow them all.

What happened to the teachings of Jesus? Where does he say that people on earth should judge others?

He said all the law could be reduced to two simple things

'Love God' ' and 'Love your neighbour'

How does that fit in with prejudice ?

Jesus said to the pharisees,when they tested him, in front of the adulteress women,to see if they could accuse him ,he that is without sin among you,cast the first stone,and they all walked away.
but what did jesus say to the adulteress women, jesus said, women were are they,did no one condemn you.she said ,no one, Jesus said ,i do not condemn you either,go,FROM NOW ON SIN NO MORE.

Jesus is telling the world to ,turn turn to him,to have a change,to be changed,to be reconciled, if you don't you will perish by default, by choice,you will be damned, to hell.not very popular is it, but its the truth,i am not going to hood wink you,and say its all rosy, no ,this is a matter of truth,fact,and its heading your way. to love some one is to speak the truth,even if it hurts. an infected scab, has to be torn off ,before it can be healed, it hurts for a bit,but then the healing comes.

is it not because of sin,that the world is a mess.

so the answer is to turn away from sin,and allow God to make us right before him,through christ. to be born again,
Jesus did not come to condemn,because the world is condemn already, he came to save us,from the wrath to come. if you ignore the warnings and call it nonsense, then thats up to you ,but Gods word is higher authority than mans laws. or government laws. that does not mean i should live lawlessly ,no ,i still have to abide by the laws of the land, but if it is against Gods word,then i stand by Gods word.

So you live by ALL of the rules in Deuteronomy?

 

[Micilin]

What ever way you look at it fervent fanatical zealots forced the change.

The held guns to voters heads?

This lot look like a right load of fanatical zealots alright

 

[JBR]

They do seem to be enjoying themselves.

Better make hay whilst the sun shines. When sharia law takes over, all that will come to an end!

 

[Norcon]

Obviously they are zealots if they have to take to the streets.
Never judge a book by the cover.

 

[breadnbutter]

this helps sum it up.

romans 1;22

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

King James Version (KJV)

As Usual, selective nonsense that ignores the rest of the law.


Would you stone someone who kept a goat in a field with sheep? Or who wore clothes made of different fibres? Don't just pick some bible rules, follow them all.

What happened to the teachings of Jesus? Where does he say that people on earth should judge others?

He said all the law could be reduced to two simple things

'Love God' ' and 'Love your neighbour'

How does that fit in with prejudice ?

Jesus said to the pharisees,when they tested him, in front of the adulteress women,to see if they could accuse him ,he that is without sin among you,cast the first stone,and they all walked away.
but what did jesus say to the adulteress women, jesus said, women were are they,did no one condemn you.she said ,no one, Jesus said ,i do not condemn you either,go,FROM NOW ON SIN NO MORE.

Jesus is telling the world to ,turn turn to him,to have a change,to be changed,to be reconciled, if you don't you will perish by default, by choice,you will be damned, to hell.not very popular is it, but its the truth,i am not going to hood wink you,and say its all rosy, no ,this is a matter of truth,fact,and its heading your way. to love some one is to speak the truth,even if it hurts. an infected scab, has to be torn off ,before it can be healed, it hurts for a bit,but then the healing comes.

is it not because of sin,that the world is a mess.

so the answer is to turn away from sin,and allow God to make us right before him,through christ. to be born again,
Jesus did not come to condemn,because the world is condemn already, he came to save us,from the wrath to come. if you ignore the warnings and call it nonsense, then thats up to you ,but Gods word is higher authority than mans laws. or government laws. that does not mean i should live lawlessly ,no ,i still have to abide by the laws of the land, but if it is against Gods word,then i stand by Gods word.

So you live by ALL of the rules in Deuteronomy?

i have freedom in christ, but i do not abuse that freedom,i am not under the law ,but under grace. but i don't let grace be an excuse to live like the devil. as you mentioned Jesus gave a new commandment, to love God, and to love your neighbor,

Romans 13:8-10English Standard Version (ESV)

Fulfilling the Law Through Love
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

 

[Dextraneous]

Ignoring the bible quoting nonsense for the time being and returning to the concepts of whether homosexuality is "natural", it's been my opinion for quite some time that it is indeed natural, since more or less by definition those who are gay are extremely unlikely that they will procreate and as such the genetic lineage will curtail. Presumably this is evolution and natural selection in action.

So, to castigate those who are gay is to spit in the face of nature itself.

 

[Norcon]

Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature.

 

[EFLImpudence]

it's been my opinion for quite some time that it is indeed natural, since more or less by definition those who are gay are extremely unlikely that they will procreate and as such the genetic lineage will curtail. Presumably this is evolution and natural selection in action.

It doesn't seem to work like that.

Although obviously not impossible for homosexuals to procreate, most are the result of heterosexual procreation.

Bigots beware!

 

[Dextraneous]

it's been my opinion for quite some time that it is indeed natural, since more or less by definition those who are gay are extremely unlikely that they will procreate and as such the genetic lineage will curtail. Presumably this is evolution and natural selection in action.

It doesn't seem to work like that.

Although obviously not impossible for homosexuals to procreate, most are the result of heterosexual procreation.

It's not their creation, but more the cessation of a genetic lineage.

 

[Dextraneous]

Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature.

We ain't going to agree on this Norcs, obviously, but Saint Paul was expressing an opinion and not a definition decreed by god.

 

[EFLImpudence]

it's been my opinion for quite some time that it is indeed natural, since more or less by definition those who are gay are extremely unlikely that they will procreate and as such the genetic lineage will curtail. Presumably this is evolution and natural selection in action.

It doesn't seem to work like that.
Although obviously not impossible for homosexuals to procreate, most are the result of heterosexual procreation.

It's not their creation, but more the cessation of a genetic lineage.

Surely, if that were the case 'it' would have died out a long time ago.

 

[Dextraneous]

it's been my opinion for quite some time that it is indeed natural, since more or less by definition those who are gay are extremely unlikely that they will procreate and as such the genetic lineage will curtail. Presumably this is evolution and natural selection in action.

It doesn't seem to work like that.
Although obviously not impossible for homosexuals to procreate, most are the result of heterosexual procreation.

It's not their creation, but more the cessation of a genetic lineage.

Surely, if that were the case 'it' would have died out a long time ago.

Not at all. I'm kind of assuming that certain genetic strains and variations will naturally occur which are not meant to continue.

 

[Micilin]

Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)
Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature.

You've made a leap that is not in the verse you've quoted.

Read some more and you'll see that St Paul didn't want ANYONE to marry, man or woman.

So if we are to take Paul as our guide ( a man who never met Jesus) then , no marriage at all should happen.

As for 'nature' , is monogamy natural?

 

[Micilin]

it's been my opinion for quite some time that it is indeed natural, since more or less by definition those who are gay are extremely unlikely that they will procreate and as such the genetic lineage will curtail. Presumably this is evolution and natural selection in action.

It doesn't seem to work like that.
Although obviously not impossible for homosexuals to procreate, most are the result of heterosexual procreation.

It's not their creation, but more the cessation of a genetic lineage.

Surely, if that were the case 'it' would have died out a long time ago.

Not at all. I'm kind of assuming that certain genetic strains and variations will naturally occur which are not meant to continue.

Not for the individual, but for the gene to survive it does not follow that the individuals have to breed. Look at bees.

 

[breadnbutter]

i have friends that are homosexuals,i don't knock them, they know were i stand, but i don't give them aggro,and they don't hassle me about what i believe.
But there is certain people who like to stir it up, start trouble and push the boat out, and say that what i believe is bull crap, and hate speech, well go complain to God ,its his words, and its there to save us not kill us.