Running a current through garage door handle?

[breezer]

as has been mentioned mains electricity is out of the question, to be honest so is an electric fence (easy to negotiate)

Some time ago there was a law passed that basicaly means that if you have a cctv system that can view the public it has to be registered, (that does include any "private system" if it can view the public which yours may

How ever why not put a camera with infra red looking in some such way ( you havent mentioned your property lay out) so that you can get a really good view of those entering your property.

They should be entering for a non valid reason, it could be argued they kicked a ball over or similar

when you have recognisable pictures you may be able to approach your local newspaper.

I would also seek legal advice before you do anything else. itb is a shame i know, but if you do not do it right it could be you in court


one question / suggestion. why do they want to get into your garage, what is in there?

 

[dingbat]

now you are being silly

Oh, I don't think so. But then my idea for road traffic offence enforcement is a police sniper at every junction. And every neighbourhood watch should hire in a vigilante contract killer... the message would soon get across!

 

[kai]

What about a Van-de_graff type generator, of the sort that you may remember from your schoolboy Physics classes?
That would certainly scare the criminal etc etc, but is considered safe enough for schoolboys to touch

 

[Chuckles1066]

I think you need to do a bit more research here Chuckles. You don't get a shock from a car battery, not enough volts.
Is this a wind-up?

No, I promise you it's not a wind-up.

As for research, that's why I came to this forum, I guessed if anyone knew how to do it, it would be someone here!

 

[Chuckles1066]

as has been mentioned mains electricity is out of the question, to be honest so is an electric fence (easy to negotiate)

Some time ago there was a law passed that basicaly means that if you have a cctv system that can view the public it has to be registered, (that does include any "private system" if it can view the public which yours may

How ever why not put a camera with infra red looking in some such way ( you havent mentioned your property lay out) so that you can get a really good view of those entering your property.

They should be entering for a non valid reason, it could be argued they kicked a ball over or similar

when you have recognisable pictures you may be able to approach your local newspaper.

I would also seek legal advice before you do anything else. itb is a shame i know, but if you do not do it right it could be you in court


one question / suggestion. why do they want to get into your garage, what is in there?

I've already been told by the local police that any evidence my cctv system gathers is inadmissible in Court because the DPA in the UK requires that you have to inform someone in advance if you intend covertly videoing them (no, I'm not joking, check it out if you don't believe me).

As for what's in the garage, there's some rabbit food and a car! But of course the scum don't know that when they bugger the doors up do they?

I think the mentality is "let's break into here and see if there's anything we can nick".

 

[JerryD]

Well in addition to the rabbit food and the car, your garage needs to contain a Doberman.

 

[Lectrician]

Leave the door open for all to see then, unless you have lively rabbits

 

[masona]

Can you get glass up n' over door ?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

the police weren't prepared to act because they thought there were Data Protection Act concerns!

Tell them that's bogus (which it is).

Remind them what happened to the last police force that screwed up because of a mistaken idea of what the Data Protection Act is all about.

Write to the Chief Constable - leave him in no doubt that if his force does not act when presented with evidence of a crime then you will go to the national and local press, the national and local radio stations, the Police Complaints Authority, the local council's Police Authority and your solicitor.

The way to resolve this is to kick the police into doing the job they are paid to do, not fart about electrifying door handles.

 

[Damocles]

Agricultural electric fence energisers give high voltage pulse with very small current behind it every few seconds. Basically connects a small high voltage capacitor across the output, then trickle charges it in between pulses.

Would be quite shocking if someone was firmly holding a door handle when the pulse hit. Might make them swear, but then if they were determined they could carry on as it is designed to no no harm except make you jump.

Any metalwork you connect it to must be insulated from earth or it will not work. (because the current is very small and easily shorted out...because farmers are not keen on dead cows)

 

[Darkness]

The cops are the worst people to contact about sorting this matter out and I've seen it time and time again, well depends where you live. The number of breakin's, outside theft I've seen, the police can do very little which is a disgrace.

In your case you seem to be pestered by a bunch most likely the same bunch that couldn't give a monkeys if they get caught so even if they are caught by the cops, they'd be straight back out on the streets and most likely do it again.

I'm afraid to say, to sort these guys out, you have to play nasty. You mention bringing the door 'live' well I've seen a similar project and it worked but thats one thing you want to avoid.

If you don't want to play that game then the securing of your door is the key here. Maybe lock/secure it from the inside leaving no method of opening from the outside. Not ideal but may be called upon.

You could use an electric fence, particularly a high output mains powered one. You'll certainly fall on your backside from that kick but most likely they will come back the next time with rubber gloves.

 

[Darkness]

Agricultural electric fence energisers give high voltage pulse with very small current behind it every few seconds. Basically connects a small high voltage capacitor across the output, then trickle charges it in between pulses.

Would be quite shocking if someone was firmly holding a door handle when the pulse hit. Might make them swear, but then if they were determined they could carry on as it is designed to no no harm except make you jump.

Any metalwork you connect it to must be insulated from earth or it will not work. (because the current is very small and easily shorted out...because farmers are not keen on dead cows)

I've a high powered mains operated one and I'll tell you, once you've got one kick of it, no way will you ever touch it again hence. You'll still feel the shock the next day.

On the earth point, some mains powered ones still operate with no reduction on shock while connected/touching earth, I can vowch for that!

 

[masona]

The cops are the worst people to contact about sorting this matter out and I've seen it time and time again, well depends where you live. The number of breakin's, outside theft I've seen, the police can do very little which is a disgrace.

In your case you seem to be pestered by a bunch most likely the same bunch that couldn't give a monkeys if they get caught so even if they are caught by the cops, they'd be straight back out on the streets and most likely do it again.

Agreed with you but it's not the police fault as it's run by government. 2 of my friend are policeman and they know you're right & want to leave the police force because they get no help at all by this interferring government. Too many rights and form filling is one of the problem.

 

[pipme]

If you have 'up and over door' and side / rear door access.
Fit shot bolts to inside of U&O door, two at top, two each side, and padlock bottom of door to floor .. kits are sold for this.
A friend at Bristol, some years back had a similar problem ... the bolts, only relatively cheap to buy and fit, pretty well prevent the deformation of the door. ... There were more attempts but they were unsuccessful and petered out over a few months.
No side access, then roller shutter door may be good ... no experience of that I'm afraid.
BAS was right you should play up hell with the authorities and demand some action.
P

 

[CH4]

There are electronic alternatives to JerryD's "Doberman" suggestion above, e.g. REX and ROBO-DOG.

One problem with using any more aggressive approach is the possibility of revenge attacks. You may recall the case last year when a blind pensioner stabbed an intruder to death, after the thug had gained access to the pensioner's home by kicking the front door in. The pensioner was exonerated of any crime in defending himself and his wife. Nevertheless, the scumbag friends of the thug believed that, under their twisted version of justice, they had the right to torch the pensioner's home.