Rwanda Poll

[Deleted member 18243]

Of course. What a stupid question.

I didn't ask you; I asked DIYFun. I have answered all your questions satisfactorily in posts 8 and 11 so there is no point in you repeating the questions. I will answer no more from you; now toddle off and rescue some of your beloved fake refugees.

 

[denso13]

I didn't you

Tough, I answered.

I have answered all your questions satisfactorily

Any luck with proving the "invasion" yet?

 

[transam]

This Rwandan caper although imo is a good idea (on paper)


Will probably all go pear shaped

human rights lawyers will be queuing up to get there snouts in the legal aid trough

masse protests people gluing them selves to infrastructure

health and safety lawyers

Russians

brexit voters

so on and so forth

 

[fillyboy]

I read that the (working from) Home Office are threatening a 'walk out' in protest at this Rwanda business. I'm not sure how that will work, will they go into work in order to walk out?

 

[ajohn]

I voted no as there are aspects that have just a political factor. It's better than making big waves in the channel. Nothing new about it. One country abandoned it another hasn't and it has reduced the number of boats

However until what they intend to do surfaces via rules and laws I'd vote pass if I could.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

If it were a more "conventional" form of invasion such as a foreign army landing on the beaches or foreign planes dropping bombs on us, would you agree to them being shot at?

Yes, in that scenario (i.e. a completely different one) we should hit them with everything we've got.

 

[transam]

I read that the (working from) Home Office are threatening a 'walk out' in protest at this Rwanda business. I'm not sure how that will work, will they go into work in order to walk out?

civil service unions are not happy with implementing the said policy ?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Each immigrant is another place taken in the NHS queue; another increase in council tax and NI; another school place taken; another postponement of the old age pension increase and another piece of green belt built upon.

https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/ne...immigration-worsens-the-cost-of-living-crisis

Don't fall into the trap, a trap the government is quite happy for folk to succumb to, that our services are struggling purely due to people coming into this country to live, through legitimate means or otherwise. Whilst it would be foolhardy to suggest they have zero impact, neither are they the primary cause. The primary cause is years of poor strategic and financial planning. Just one example, years ago many hospital wards had some spare capacity e.g. x empty beds retained for use in times of pressure. In their 'wisdom' various managers, 'experts' etc concluded this was a waste of resource and that wards should be run in a leaner sense i.e. one in one out sort of thing. Result? Whenever additional and unplanned capacity is required, they often don't have it, resulting in patients in beds in corridors.

Remember a decade or so back people were struggling to get NHS dentists? Dentists were only taking patients on if they entered into a private healthcare plan. Remember that? Diddly squat to do with migrants, everything to do with poor strategic planning in dentistry. The same as we're seeing now with GPs.

Nothing (or little) to do with migrants, everything to do with poor strategic planning. However governments (and the masses) like to have a scapegoat for their failings, and often it's misdirected at migrants. The government don't overly mind this as it's a useful diversion from their incompetence.

I'll keep on saying it, ALL the migrants, actually all the non white people UK born and otherwise could be removed from the UK tomorrow. Fast forward a decade. Do you think you'd be living in utopia in terms of low/no crime, near full employment, no NHS waiting lists etc?

If you answer yes to that, you're at best deluded. However you'd be happy on one front at least, the UK would be 100% white which I suspect is often an underlying desire of many.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Yes, in that scenario (i.e. a completely different one) we should hit them with everything we've got.

Yes of course we would repel invaders, what a silly question I asked - BUT invasions nowadays are not conventional.

(With the exception of the current Russian invasion of Ukraine that is).

China is currently taking control of many countries by economic means. In the past it might have invaded those countries using conventional warfare, but they have discovered that conventional warfare is inefficient. Russia undermines its enemies by technological subterfuge such as computer viruses and hacking and also by buying land and property. Islamic religionists have worked their way into Western countries by providing generous funding for mosques as well as buying land and property. Germany has tried to take over its surrounding countries under the guise of the EU.

These are all modern forms of invasion that go unnoticed as such because they are insidious rather than sudden. We in Britain being invaded in a similarly insidious way.

 

[denso13]

We in Britain being invaded in a similarly insidious way.

No we aren't. There is no invasion.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Don't fall into the trap, a trap the government is quite happy for folk to succumb to, that our services are struggling purely due to people coming into this country to live, through legitimate means or otherwise. Whilst it would be foolhardy to suggest they have zero impact, neither are they the primary cause. The primary cause is years of poor strategic and financial planning. Just one example, years ago many hospital wards had some spare capacity e.g. x empty beds retained for use in times of pressure. In their 'wisdom' various managers, 'experts' etc concluded this was a waste of resource and that wards should be run in a leaner sense i.e. one in one out sort of thing. Result? Whenever additional and unplanned capacity is required, they often don't have it, resulting in patients in beds in corridors.

Remember a decade or so back people were struggling to get NHS dentists? Dentists were only taking patients on if they entered into a private healthcare plan. Remember that? Diddly squat to do with migrants, everything to do with poor strategic planning in dentistry. The same as we're seeing now with GPs.

Nothing (or little) to do with migrants, everything to do with poor strategic planning. However governments (and the masses) like to have a scapegoat for their failings, and often it's misdirected at migrants. The government don't overly mind this as it's a useful diversion from their incompetence.

I'll keep on saying it, ALL the migrants, actually all the non white people UK born and otherwise could be removed from the UK tomorrow. Fast forward a decade. Do you think you'd be living in utopia in terms of low/no crime, near full employment, no NHS waiting lists etc?

If you answer yes to that, you're at best deluded. However you'd be happy on one front at least, the UK would be 100% white which I suspect is often an underlying desire of many.

You are quite correct about the lack of government planning and investment but immigration is a problem additional to that. It is not an either/or matter. I could show you around many towns "up north" where you could not honestly say that immigration has had anything but a negative effect economically and socially. There are things that go on unreported by the mainstream media. Where I live you wouldn't know it was Easter Sunday.

 

[ajohn]

I vaguely remember Blare giving the NHS a pay rise. Pay needs to be competitive. I also remember a visiting IMF bloke's comment on that. He can't afford it.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Yes of course we would repel invaders, what a silly question I asked - BUT invasions nowadays are not conventional.

(With the exception of the current Russian invasion of Ukraine that is).

China is currently taking control of many countries by economic means. In the past it might have invaded those countries using conventional warfare, but they have discovered that conventional warfare is inefficient. Russia undermines its enemies by technological subterfuge such as computer viruses and hacking and also by buying land and property. Islamic religionists have worked their way into Western countries by providing generous funding for mosques as well as buying land and property. Germany has tried to take over its surrounding countries under the guise of the EU.

These are all modern forms of invasion that go unnoticed as such because they are insidious rather than sudden. We in Britain being invaded in a similarly insidious way.

I'm going to use an analogy, maybe not a very good one, however it will hopefully demonstrate my point.

A few years back there was a tv series about various streets in the UK. Each episode concentrated on one street and how it had changed since its development. If I recall correctly they concentrated on streets that were 100+ years old.

One street had quite grand buildings and was originally populated by monied people, bankers, industrial bigwigs and the like. All with servants who lived below house. As the decades rolled by, and due to changes in the UK economy, the monied people gradually moved out (or died off) and the value of property in that area dropped. The houses were gradually taken over by landlords (that liked to fly below the radar) and those that didn't always subscribe to the 9-5 work for a living ethos. The cultural mix also started to change. Then, in more recent years, the area had once again become quite a trendy place to live with lots of local investment. Gentrification I suppose. Result? Many of the people that had lived there during the streets run-down era were either selling up (to cash in on the gentrification) or dying off.

The tv prog was interesting in that it showed the ebb and flow of streets over decades, how they can change in terms of who lives there, the cultural mix and so on.

Take the analogy, stretch it out over centuries and apply it to global socioeconomics. We should also refer to your earlier post about the changing face of areas in the North etc. What happened to that street in the tv prog is what happens to the world. Things change, countries change, yes some more than others. Some are in favour of these changes, some less so. Perhaps if we had a crystal ball looking x decades into the future, we'd see a world where the West is no longer the dominant force and Christianity is no longer the dominant religion for those with religious leanings. Perhaps the ~ 85% white population of the UK will be 80%, 75%, 70% or less. Who knows.

What is certain is the UK, along with the rest of the world, will continue to change and evolve as it always has. Whether we think these changes are for the best or not is for another debate.

 

[crystal ball]

You are quite correct about the lack of government planning and investment but immigration is a problem additional to that. It is not an either/or matter. I could show you around many towns "up north" where you could not honestly say that immigration has had anything but a negative effect economically and socially. There are things that go on unreported by the mainstream media. Where I live you wouldn't know it was Easter Sunday.

What do you expect to see on Easter Sunday? Groups of laydees parading their bonnets, Morris dancers on every street corner, the only sign that it is different round here are closed supermarkets.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

But they do. There are reports regularly of places of work being raided and illegals being arrested. Working for peanuts and paying no tax is a double kick in the balls for the UK economy.

True... I've experienced it