Second vote?

[motorbiking]

I think the options on the table are now:
- this deal
- no Brexit.

I'm not quite sure what TM is up to, but I think she's probably fed up with it all.

 

[durhamplumber]

I don't understand why every committed leaver isn't shouting from the rooftops for a second vote. I can't think of a better way for them to dispel all the doubts and questions about the integrity of the first one, to show beyond doubt that remainers are an out-of-touch minority and so on.

Surely the more sure any leaver is of the rectitude of his cause, and of the democratic support for his favoured course of action, the more he should be demanding "bring it on".

• The costs of doing it would be insignificant in the context of just the cost of preparing to leave. AIUI the official public cost of Ref 1 was about £142M, less than 3.5% of what's been set aside so far for Brexit preparations, and less than 3-days worth of NHS £350M per week. Cost is not a serious objection.

• The time taken also could not be a serious objection when set against the 50-year timescale for leaving to make us better off. What real difference will it make if we go into the black in, say September 2069 instead of March 2069?

• Nobody who would be fed up with the campaigning and process of voting again would have to take part. Like any other election they would be free to take as much or as little notice as they wanted to, and would be free to decide whether to spend a few minutes in a polling station or not.

• It's impossible to see how a case could be made that a second vote would be disrespecting the result of the first. Politicians saying "You know what? We've decided leaving is stupid and we aren't going to do it" - that would be disrespecting the will of the people. But this:
  
  "You said you wanted to leave, so we started the process of leaving. This is the deal we have negotiated, so will you please tell us do you want to:
  
  
  
  a) Leave on the basis of this deal
  b) Just walk away and not sign up to this deal
  c) Remain after all"​
  
  is the opposite of disrespecting. Even a web browser asks if you're sure if you try to close it with more than one tab open.
  
• It wouldn't be a re-run of the first, as the questions would be different. It wouldn't be a start of "best of 3/5/7", or "'neverendum' until you get the answer right", it would simply, and genuinely, be confirmation of the democratic will of the people on a matter of enormous economic and political significance.

So, to all those who say "no second referendum/people's vote" - why not? Why not grasp the opportunity to silence the remoaners once and for all? Why not seize the moral high ground and show just how much rubbish all the claims of misleading leave campaigns and illegal spending and foreign manipulation were? Why not put yourself in the position of being able to say "we were asked twice and we said 'leave' both times, so accept that we are leaving and stop complaining."?

What on earth have you to fear from a second vote?

Nothing to fear,just pointless waste of money.Voted once,Leaving EU..end of.You remoaners are that desperate you will twist and turn anything to get your own way.Wasting more money,no wonder you like the EU so much

 

[durhamplumber]

In a truly democratic country (which the UK is not), it should have been a two stage referendum in the first place...
(or preferably no referendum at all)

But that aside...

1. Remain or Leave.

'Negotiate' the deal* / make the true facts doubly obvious, then...

2. Go with the deal or remain.

As it stands no-one (save those who have orchestrated/financed brexit) will gain, and the UK is totally divided indefinitely

The whole process/debacle has been played out in order to try to protect tory party interests (and that of their puppet masters), not the interests of the country!

*The outline deal was known since day 1, since the UK helped draft the withdrawal procedure in the first place!

Simple in /out vote was fine

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Nothing to fear,

Nobody believes you. Not even you.

just pointless waste of money.

Unlike the money spent preparing to leave.

Voted once,Leaving EU..end of.

Vote 1: Do you want to leave or stay?

Vote 2: OK - this is what leaving will result in..... Now that we all know more, do you still want to leave?

No democrat should object to that process.

You remoaners are that desperate you will twist and turn anything to get your own way.

You quitlings are that scared of finding out what the will of the people is that you will twist and turn everything to prevent them from expressing it.

 

[JohnD]

Simple in /out vote was fine

Two years ago, you were asked if you wanted to get married. You said yes.

Lumbering towards you now is a Latvian mail-order bride. She is not quite what you were hoping for, having a bristly chin and signs of recent surgery. Her previous five husbands drowned in the bath after making out wills leaving their entire fortune to her.

Should you reconsider? Should you be asked "do you take this "woman" and have the opportunity to say "no?" Should anyone prevent you from saying what you now want?

 

[Notch7]

Latvian mail-order bride. She is not quite what you were hoping for, having a bristly chin and signs of recent surgery.

Yeah, but the current wife is a control freak and has an ever increasing family that needs supporting, the bristly chin doesnt sound too bad.

 

[Yafo]

Quite simply nobody (as yet, and still may not) has voted on brexit.

There was a referendum to leave or stay. Leave was chosen (just).

Now there is the details of what brexit entails, is it what you thought you voted for, actually voted for, or not at all what you voted for.

But remember, if you don't have another vote now the terms are known, then what we get is EXACTLY WHAT YOU VOTED FOR, so don't complain that it is too soft, too hard, or anything else. The terms we now see are what you chose if you voted leave and don't want to express your vote about them.

In my opinion if there was another vote, it should be 3 questions.

1, forget it, remain.
2, accept it, leave on those terms.
3, cancel it, leave on wto terms

 

[Notch7]

In my opinion if there was another vote, it should be 3 questions.

1, forget it, remain.
2, accept it, leave on those terms.
3, cancel it, leave on wto terms

A 5 year old can see through that

And the reason why its never gonna happen

 

[Yafo]

A 5 year old can see through that

And the reason why its never gonna happen

A 5 year old can see why the brexit referendum happened and why it was voted for.

It still happened.

 

[motorbiking]

Those questions remind me of game show hosts who say "are you really, really sure?" when they know the contestant picked the wrong answer.

 

[ellal]

Whatever happens the UK is irretrievably divided...

And the inevitable decline will simply accelerate.

The problem quitters don't understand is that in a globalised world others won't be bothered with an old/tired country that looks to the past rather than the future!

 

[durhamplumber]

Two years ago, you were asked if you wanted to get married. You said yes.

Lumbering towards you now is a Latvian mail-order bride. She is not quite what you were hoping for, having a bristly chin and signs of recent surgery. Her previous five husbands drowned in the bath after making out wills leaving their entire fortune to her.

Should you reconsider? Should you be asked "do you take this "woman" and have the opportunity to say "no?" Should anyone prevent you from saying what you now want?

Stupid analogy

 

[durhamplumber]

No in/out ref2...no lab govt,no stay in EU....simples

 

[durhamplumber]

Remoaners can waffle all you like,not staying part of EU.

 

[Notch7]

Whatever happens the UK is irretrievably divided...

Its all the fault of pesky remainers causing division