Shamima was smuggled in by WESTERN inteligence!

[denso13]

Under their laws she had to be registered in Bangladesh within a short period of time after her birth - 6/12 months...

No, that's wrong... http://bdlaws.minlaw.gov.bd/act-242.html

"Subject to the provisions of section 3 a person born after the commencement of this Act, shall be a citizen of Bangladesh by descent if his 1[father or mother] is a citizen of Bangladesh at the time of his birth"

 

[denso13]

Are you calling their legal system into question?

No. I'm saying ours is correct. She was a Bangladeshi citizen when her British one was revoked and the courts agree. It matters not a jot what Bangladesh say now.

 

[denso13]

Do you realise what you have just admitted?

Yes. The courts agree that you are wrong.

 

[ellal]

Yes. The courts agree that you are wrong.

How so?

And the courts of which country?

Still sticking with the 'our courts are better than their's' argument?

And have you got an opinion on the threat to break international law on the N.I. protocol?

 

[denso13]

How so?

Bangladesh made her stateless, not the UK.

And the courts of which country?

The UK.

And have you got an opinion on the threat to break international law on the N.I. protocol?

We shouldn't break international law.

 

[Pat ex]

No. I'm saying ours is correct. She was a Bangladeshi citizen when her British one was revoked and the courts agree. It matters not a jot what Bangladesh say now.

She wasn't a Bangladeshi citizen. She had never applied. No passport was ever issued.
And as I have said, any country has the right to refuse an application from anyone on any grounds that they deem fit.
The only citizenship that she held was British, and that was revoked.

Imagine if you will, a child was born in Britain to American parents who had a right to be and work in Britain.
They then returned to USA.
Later in the child's life, he/she became an international undesirable person, and USA revoked their passport on the grounds that they were entitled to a UK one.
Do you think UK would automatically award that person a UK passport because they were entitled to one?

 

[denso13]

She wasn't a Bangladeshi citizen.

She was automatically a Bangladeshi citizen by the fact her parents were Bangladeshi. The courts have declared this the correct interpretation.

 

[motorbiking]

It's a different argument.
Bangladesh, like any other country has the right to refuse anyone citizenship. And just like any other country they cannot make anyone stateless.
Therefore they have the right to refuse Shamima a Bangladesh passport. If she already had citizenship, they would not have been able to deny her that citizenship.
UK cannot interpret another countries laws, and dictate how and when they should be applied. UK has no control over Bangladesh anymore.
Therefore UK acted on the possibility that she was entitled to another country's citizenship. They should have waited until she actually had that citizenship.
It was the only citizenship that she held at that time.

The whole reason why she is refused permission to enter UK is based on secret evidence that Sajid Javid had. And he does not want this 'secret' evidence tested in court.

Thats completely wrong.
If a person has a right in law to something, how can the state refuse without a legal basis? The person would appeal to the courts and the courts would apply the law. As they frequently do here. I'm not suggesting the Bangladeshi legal system is as independent as the UK system, but to assume this without evidence is an insult to their system. She is deemed a Bangladeshi citizen according to their law. No political commentator saying otherwise has provided any legal reference to why she is not a citizen. They simply say we are wrong and its our problem ( a bit like your argument).

UK can take guidance from experts and those experts advised she would not be made stateless. Her own team have given up on this, both SIAC and the Supreme Court have ruled she was not made stateless. Her appeal is not on the basis that she was made stateless.

 

[fillyboy]

I think we can all agree on one thing. She's f****d.

And that's no bad thing, might make other UK Nationals think twice about joining terrorist groups.

 

[jeds]

A double-agent working for Canadian intelligence & ISIS is reported to have smuggled #ShamimaBegum & her 2 friends from Bethnal Green into Syria. The UK then conspired to cover-up Canada’s role in their recruitment & trafficking. Yes, you read that right!

She was a 15 year old groomed child smuggled into Syria by Canadian intelligence

Wow just wow!

‘Western spy’ took Shamima Begum to Syria

A spy working for Canadian intelligence smuggled Shamima Begum and her two friends from Bethnal Green into Syria and Britain later conspired with Canada to cov

www.thetimes.co.uk

Just wondering how this came about. Did the Canadian agent randomly turn up at her home and persuade her to get a few friends together for a trip to Syria? At that point did she and her friends query anything or just pack a bag? Why did she not discuss the Syria trip with her parents? Seems a bit odd that she and her friends would just go along with it without question.

Not really likely is it. Far more feasible is that she and her friends made first contact and ISIS used a Canadian bloke to enable the trip. ISIS were desperate for girls to keep its terrorist fighters happy and it seems there were plenty of girls around the World that were willing to fulfil the role. Bad choice, but a choice nonetheless.

 

[Pat ex]

She was automatically a Bangladeshi citizen by the fact her parents were Bangladeshi. The courts have declared this the correct interpretation.

According to UK interpretation of Bangladeshi law. But only the government of the country can interpret their own laws.
And as I keep saying, any country can deny anyone the right to citizenship.
Shamima is entitled to a UK passport, but it's been revoked by UK government.

 

[Pat ex]

Thats completely wrong.
If a person has a right in law to something, how can the state refuse without a legal basis? The person would appeal to the courts and the courts would apply the law. As they frequently do here. I'm not suggesting the Bangladeshi legal system is as independent as the UK system, but to assume this without evidence is an insult to their system. She is deemed a Bangladeshi citizen according to their law. No political commentator saying otherwise has provided any legal reference to why she is not a citizen. They simply say we are wrong and its our problem ( a bit like your argument).

UK can take guidance from experts and those experts advised she would not be made stateless. Her own team have given up on this, both SIAC and the Supreme Court have ruled she was not made stateless. Her appeal is not on the basis that she was made stateless.

According to UK interpretation of Bangladeshi law. But only the government of the country can interpret their own laws.
And as I keep saying, any country can deny anyone the right to citizenship.
Shamima is entitled to a UK passport, but it's been revoked by UK government.

Shamima is entitled to a UK passport, but it's been revoked by the UK government, proving that any government can, and does revoke their country's passport at a whim. As you said, UK has the power to revoke passports. They cannot deny that power to any other government.

 

[denso13]

Shamima is entitled to a UK passport, but it's been revoked by UK government.

Yes, because she has not been left stateless. Had she been, she would not have been stripped of her UK one.

 

[denso13]

They cannot deny that power to any other government.

Quite, Bangladesh can make her stateless if they wish, the UK didn't.

 

[Pat ex]

Just wondering how this came about. Did the Canadian agent randomly turn up at her home and persuade her to get a few friends together for a trip to Syria? At that point did she and her friends query anything or just pack a bag? Why did she not discuss the Syria trip with her parents? Seems a bit odd that she and her friends would just go along with it without question.

15 year old girls do behave recklessly.