The scheme opperators kill their golden gooses?
Should Part P get scrapped?
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I have no objection to any of the suggestions but it must be the same for everyone - not just the conscientious and law abiding.
However, nothing seems to be done to find the 'cowboys' and it is they who flout the laws and rules with seeming impunity.
Even on programmes such as Rogue Traders (admittedly very poor) the 'culprit' is confronted at the end but do we ever hear about them again?
This country seems very good at regulating the law abiding where no more effort is involved - more a case of the legislature seeming to be doing well and caring.
However, nothing seems to be done to find the 'cowboys' and it is they who flout the laws and rules with seeming impunity.
Even on programmes such as Rogue Traders (admittedly very poor) the 'culprit' is confronted at the end but do we ever hear about them again?
This country seems very good at regulating the law abiding where no more effort is involved - more a case of the legislature seeming to be doing well and caring.
I couldn't have put it better myself. One problem obviously is that the 'real cowboys' presumably completely ignore the law (including notification) and so are very difficult to 'catch' - only coming to anyone's intention if some victim complains (to Trading Standards, Rogue Traders or whoever) about them - and that requires that they realise that they are a victim of a cowboy. If they are treated nicely, not ridiculously overcharged and the work done 'looks tidy' and 'seems to work', they probably don't realise that they have any reason to complain.
Kind Regards, John.
They might if 'OfScheme' were looking over their shoulder and threatening to rescind their scheme operator status if they were naughty.
Kind Regards, John.
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Is there an 'Ofscheme' ?
Noooooooooooooooooooooo
... the clue was in the quote marks ... but it certainly wouldn't be a bad idea if there were one!Kind Regards, John.
Oh no 'Ofscheme' eh?
So if the NICEIC has 25,000 contractors all paying avg £400.00 per year (not to mention the stationary and other extras ) how many do you reccon of us they could afford/be wiling to cull?
So if the NICEIC has 25,000 contractors all paying avg £400.00 per year (not to mention the stationary and other extras ) how many do you reccon of us they could afford/be wiling to cull?
As I said, IF there were (which there currently isn't) a regulatory body with the power to cut off that entire £10m (or, perhaps, impose massive fines) if they did not cull those who needed culling then, yes, I think they would decide that they could (had to) afford to cull all those who deserved to be culled.
Anyway, what's the worry - everyone seems to be suggesting that there is only a tiny number of 'black sheep'. If that's the case, then weeding them out would cost NICEIC very little in lost fees.
Kind Regards, John.
So ELECSA , NAPIT , NICEIC , should be made to join a statutory scheme where they would be checked that they are checking electrical contractors properly. Like a self cert - self cert body. Or would the OFFSCHEEME just swing into action when there's a complaint?
I would say it is fair to say that Part P as regards electrical work is actually unenforcable.
OK scheme members and those that wish to comply will, but at present if I chose to rewire my house and change the CU, who in a position of authority is to know and, as often discussed, unless someone is injured by the installation who will enforce it.
So on that basis what actual use is it?
OK scheme members and those that wish to comply will, but at present if I chose to rewire my house and change the CU, who in a position of authority is to know and, as often discussed, unless someone is injured by the installation who will enforce it.
So on that basis what actual use is it?
Most regulators do both - they keep an eye on things themselves and also respond to complaints they receive.
Kind Regards, John.
I suppose John. Still not going to happen though.
Perhaps not in quite the way I was fantasising about, but I sincerely hope that something happens to force the scheme providers get their acts in order - and, as you pointed out yourself ('golden geese'), without some stick or other threat being wielded over them, their financial interest in keeping members will act as a disincentive for them to do anything voluntarily.
Kind Regards, John.
That's exactly it. The vast majority of people never even realise there is a problem, until something goes wrong years later and it's too late.
Today for example - flat with a fairly new kitchen, modern plastic cooker switch with T&E cables behind it, cables concealed in the brick/plaster wall. All works, and has been in use for the past 5 years or so.
The problem - at the ancient fusebox which has been there since the place was constructed in 1964, wires for the cooker circuit are singles in conduit. Obviously there is a joint somewhere, and it's hidden in the wall.
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