Dare I suggest that a visual inspection (tech-speak 'for having a look') behind the socket would have averted pinching the neutral?
Should Part P get scrapped?
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You can suggest that............. if you'ld also care to explain to me how to look behind a faceplate I have just fastened up...........the result of which was the pinching of the neutral.
This is the reason everything should be plated and terminated before IR testing.
It was a switched FCU, by the way, not a socket.
Well, I think you're being slightly facetious now.
I am sure you do not normally fit sockets and switches without dressing the wires so they fold in safely.
Obviously, this one got away.
It was a nightmare, mate.
The cooker hood was in situ and I was leaning awkwardly over it to connect the flex to the FCU.......which was inserted directly onto the ring, so two 2.5mm T&E and the flex to get in behind a SFCU.........not a lot of room at the best of times, but yes, I did drop a ******* on that one.
To give you the full story - I put the FCU where they told me to put it..........then they changed their minds and needed it moving over by about an inch (muppets)......this resulted in my cables being slightly too short for comfortable working and caused me to cock it up........but hey, the testing found it straight away, so no harm done.
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So in your world, none of us (with 2360 or 2330, 238 or 239 should be able to certify we know wht we are doing.
How do you want things changing. I rewire a house and say to the client "I'm done so get in touch with your council and ask them to send their guy out to check my results and commission your installation?"
True, but that was a genuine question on my part, not an expression of any opinions of mine.
Indeed, and I see no elements of madness in it. If there is any scope for debate, it'e really only about how many/which tests are strictly necessary following minor works.
Quite - but, as I've said, it's not "my way". As you have implied yourself, I tend to behave more like an electrician than a DIYer in some senses!
Kind Regards, John.
It's not a question of certifying that 'you know what you are doing' - you could know that and yet still do it badly or make mistakes. In any safety-critical field, I would expect someone other than the one who had done the work to inspect and 'approve/certify' it.
If the industry could get its house in order and ensure, and demonstrate, that 'black sheep' had been all but eliminated, then I might be persuded to think differently.
Exactly the same procedure as if a DIYer notifed work to an LABC.
Kind Regards, John.
Or as in the past when the seals on meters etc. were never touched by electricians. A wiring completion certificate (which legally put the onus on the safety of the installation on the person who signed it) was completed by the electrician or the DIYer and the electricity board came around and tested and connected.
Who do you suggest does the test and inspection? Would that be another qualified electrician?
Black Sheep?
Where are the electrocuted bodies piled, or the houses burning down after the black sheep have done some domestic work?
As I said, exactly the same procedure as when a DIYer notifies work to an LABC - at least unless/until the industry can get its house in order.
You could ask the same question in relation tyo DIY electrical work. However, if you deny the existence of 'black sheep' in the electrical trade, I'm not sure there is any basis for us to have a sensible discussion.
Kind Regards, John.
Nah, they're disqualified - I would not know how to define a black sheep outside of the jurisdiction of both BS7671 and Part P - and, anyway, they have the wrong number of volts and Herz and drive on the wrong side of the road
Mind you, if one goes a bit north, there seem to be plenty of electrical black sheep/cowboys in Canada - do you ever watch 'Holmes on Homes'?
Kind Regards, John.
I am not saying there are no black sheep, but your suggestion is ridiculous. The scheme operators assess us so that the LABCS are not swamped. Given you don't work with electricians, why do you think that so many of us are sub-standard?
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