Shrines.

[joe-90]

You seem to have missed this John:

Would you like the Stephen Lawrence plaque outside your house if he'd been killed there? If so why?

I would feel a million times more strongly about a racist murder than about a tablet in the pavement.

I'm used to crosses, gravestones, floral tributes, brass plaques, memorial stones - no big deal. Round here we have memorials to those lost at sea, as well as those fallen in war, and plenty of benches and trees with brass plates on them.

In fact, one of my chums in a local organisation (we have a lot of older members and have them drop off the perch from time to time, leaving money for some item of rememberance) joked that when he pegged out, he'd leave us a machine for engraving brass plates. I don't find it at all upsetting.

You haven't answered the question John.

Would you like the Stephen Lawrence plaque outside your house if he'd been killed there? If so why?



Graveyards are for dead people. Pavements are for living people and film stars.

 

[JohnD]

I am quite used to plaques and memorials and have no objection to one.

However I have considerable objection to racist murders and would be sorry if there had been one.

Have you explained what sort of memorials you object to, and what sort you don't?

 

[WoodYouLike]

He won't, he'll stick to his one repeating question until he gets the answer he likes.
IF he does, can we have a plaque?

 

[joe-90]

I am quite used to plaques and memorials and have no objection to one.

However I have considerable objection to racist murders and would be sorry if there had been one.

Have you explained what sort of memorials you object to, and what sort you don't?

I consider all murder equally objectionable - don't you?

Let me know your address and I'll install a large stone plaque in the pavement for you. Take your pick on some local murder.

I object to the glorification of murder. Cemeteries are for memorials of all kinds. Why do you want murder glorifyied in the high street? Apparently the locals have tried (without success) to get it removed for years. What purpose does it fulfill?Why aren't ALL murders treaded thus? Would you like all murders treated thus or just celebrity ones? If you don't want all murders treated thus - why do you want this particular one?

 

[joe-90]

He won't, he'll stick to his one repeating question until he gets the answer he likes.
IF he does, can we have a plaque?

I get it. You are trying to get the thread locked like you did last time.
Pity the Mods can't see what your game is.

 

[johnny_t]

Couple more examples......

The 'tombstones' that get put up where policemen have been killed
The plague for Kings-Cross fire victims
Memorials for 7/7 bomb victims
Soham Churchyard
Plaques up in the pub saying 'In memory of Big Ron' from the dominoes team.
The tree that Marc Bolan's girlfriend drove into.

Relevant phrase for all of these examples, and your ones is 'Lest We Forget' I'd say. If someone was killed outside my house, for whatever reason, I'd be sad, but if someone was touched by their death and wanted to leave teddy bears, candles, flowers or the like then I'd have no objection.

I think its all partly to do with some post-Diana British reassessment of their attitudes to death and the crumbling of the stiff upper lip.

I have a greater objection to the overuse of the minute's silence as it is now a wholly meaningless and empty gesture.

 

[joe-90]

Then why aren't all murders marked that way? Is that what you want?

Why a select few celebrity murders?

 

[WoodYouLike]

He won't, he'll stick to his one repeating question until he gets the answer he likes.
IF he does, can we have a plaque?

I get it. You are trying to get the thread locked like you did last time.
Pity the Mods can't see what your game is.

No, you don't get it. Both JohnD and Johnny-T have given you their opinion, but you (always) keep coming back with the same question until you get the only answer you want to hear. You don't ever 'listen' to someone elses opinion.
If you want to call that 'my game', be my guest, I know better.

 

[joe-90]

He won't, he'll stick to his one repeating question until he gets the answer he likes.
IF he does, can we have a plaque?

I get it. You are trying to get the thread locked like you did last time.
Pity the Mods can't see what your game is.

No, you don't get it. Both JohnD and Johnny-T have given you their opinion, but you (always) keep coming back with the same question until you get the only answer you want to hear. You don't ever 'listen' to someone elses opinion.
If you want to call that 'my game', be my guest, I know better.

Why not just give 'your opinion'. Why do you think that you have to butt in and say nothing?

 

[WoodYouLike]

Why not just give 'your opinion'. Why do you think that you have to butt in and say nothing?

Keep it going this 'polite' way and no one will answer one of your constant repeated questions again. If you read between the lines (which you don't) you see I agree with both JohnD and Johnny-T.

 

[JohnD]

Have you explained what sort of memorials you object to, and what sort you don't?

Still waiting, Joe.

 

[joe-90]

Have you explained what sort of memorials you object to, and what sort you don't?

Still waiting, Joe.

I object to memorials of murder when they are simply 'Headline news' for a week or two.

Why IS there an 18 inch square plaque in the pavement for Stephen Lawrence.?

 

[joe-90]

Why not just give 'your opinion'. Why do you think that you have to butt in and say nothing?

Keep it going this 'polite' way and no one will answer one of your constant repeated questions again. If you read between the lines (which you don't) you see I agree with both JohnD and Johnny-T.

let's hear what you have to say.

 

[JohnD]

I object to memorials of murder when they are simply 'Headline news' for a week or two.

You don't object to memorials for any other purpose then? Commemorating famous people, victims of accidents, victims of terrorist attacks, those lost at sea, those killed in war, those who died of natural causes?

What about those killed in the line of duty? Police, firemen, AA patrols, lifeboatmen?

 

[joe-90]

I object to memorials of murder when they are simply 'Headline news' for a week or two.

You don't object to memorials for any other purpose then? Commemorating famous people, victims of accidents, victims of terrorist attacks, those lost at sea, those killed in war, those who died of natural causes?

What about those killed in the line of duty? Police, firemen, AA patrols, lifeboatmen?

A murder isn't a major event. Either they all deserve 18 inch square plaques set into the ground or none of them do. Which is it John?