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But the real point is, why was Northern Ireland "created" ? To please the Irish or the immigrants ?
N.Ireland wasn't 'created' , the 6 counties were in the UK before partition and remained in the UK after partition.
It was the Irish free state that was created to please Irish nationalists.
You should have paid more attention at school and might have learned something.
Who are these immigrants you refer to in your post.
 
You are going off on a tangent again.
I said that the Penal laws were applied to Ulster Presbyterians and Roman Catholics all of which is true.
You have cherry picked a single Act from the legislation to make some unknown point.
you clealry can't remember what you wrote, so I've quoted your post, and highlighted your untruthful claims.

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I pointed out that Protestants in Ulster had their rights denied as well.

... The laws' principal victims were members of the Catholic Church, ...
  • Registration Act 1704
  • Popery Act1704 and 1709
  • ...
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I've highlightet two of your listed Acts that you claim denied rights to Protestants in Ulster. That was absolutely untrue, it was quite the opposite. Those Acts denied rights to Catholics in all Ireland.
Your cut and pasted coments even explains that, as highlighted in blue.
You should read your cut and pasted comments before posting them.

I didn't bother looking at any of the otjher Acts of the Irish Parliament.
 
N.Ireland wasn't 'created' , the 6 counties were in the UK before partition and remained in the UK after partition.
It was the Irish free state that was created to please Irish nationalists.
You should have paid more attention at school and might have learned something.
Who are these immigrants you refer to in your post.
You keep posting blatant untruths:
"Henry II decided to invade Ireland with a big army to invoke the Laudabiliter, a bull passed some years ago to invade Ireland for church-reform reasons. "
 
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N.Ireland wasn't 'created' , the 6 counties were in the UK before partition and remained in the UK after partition.
It was the Irish free state that was created to please Irish nationalists.
You should have paid more attention at school and might have learned something.
Who are these immigrants you refer to in your post.
Depends how you read, and understand history.
 
N.Ireland wasn't 'created' , the 6 counties were in the UK before partition and remained in the UK after partition.
It was the Irish free state that was created to please Irish nationalists.
You should have paid more attention at school and might have learned something.
Who are these immigrants you refer to in your post.
Let's put your claim to the "common sense, feasible, rational" test.
GB, who had been at war (in no particular order) with Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Spain, France, Germany, America, Argentina, Russia ,Greece (Russian backed communists), Norway, Denmark, Prussia, Poland, Themselves, Sweden, Italy, Rome, Holland, Turkey, and many others.
Sometimes defending a small island hundreds or thousands of miles away.
GB also refuse to allow Scotland permission to hold an Independence Referendum, which would also aply to Wales, if they requested a referendum.


Yet you expect us to believe that in a pique of charity, GB gave away the majority of an island just off the coast of GB to allow an indeoendent state to be created?

How likely, rational, believeable is that?
 
Let's put your claim to the "common sense, feasible, rational" test.
GB, who had been at war (in no particular order) with Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Spain, France, Germany, America, Argentina, Russia ,Greece (Russian backed communists), Norway, Denmark, Prussia, Poland, Themselves, Sweden, Italy, Rome, Holland, Turkey, and many others.
Sometimes defending a small island hundreds or thousands of miles away.
GB also refuse to allow Scotland permission to hold an Independence Referendum, which would also aply to Wales, if they requested a referendum.


Yet you expect us to believe that in a pique of charity, GB gave away the majority of an island just off the coast of GB to allow an indeoendent state to be created?

How likely, rational, believeable is that?

You keep posting blatant untruths:
"Henry II decided to invade Ireland with a big army to invoke the Laudabiliter, a bull passed some years ago to invade Ireland for church-reform reasons. "
What are you on about, you keep posting irrelevancys.
 
History is a craft, not a science.
Everyone has the right to craft their version of their own history.
If that is an accepted ideology, then their history is expected to pass the "common sense, feasible, rational" test.
Yours doesn't.
 
History is a craft, not a science.
Everyone has the right to craft their version of their own history.
But the basics stay true regardless of opinion.

Ireland was originally Irish.

Then came Northern Ireland .

Doesn't matter what anybody thinks is right or wrong
 
But the basics stay true regardless of opinion.

Ireland was originally Irish.

Then came Northern Ireland .

Doesn't matter what anybody thinks is right or wrong
Ireland was originally British, it is in the British Isles.
The earliest maps of the British Isles show clearly that Ireland was inhabited by British speaking people, the place and river names were P Celtic or pre Celtic.
Stop harping on about the past and accept the world has changed.
All this crap about 'Native Irish' is nonsense, there are no more native Irish than there are native Anglo Saxons or native Welsh.
Ulster has always been British in one form or another, nothing will ever change that.
 
Ireland was originally British, it is in the British Isles.
The earliest maps of the British Isles show clearly that Ireland was inhabited by British speaking people, the place and river names were P Celtic or pre Celtic.
Stop harping on about the past and accept the world has changed.
All this crap about 'Native Irish' is nonsense, there are no more native Irish than there are native Anglo Saxons or native Welsh.
Ulster has always been British in one form or another, nothing will ever change that.
Stop trying to teach history when you only see what you want to.

Northern Ireland, regardless of what side of religion you are on, is a "made up" area
 
Ulster has always been British in one form or another, nothing will ever change that.
In Vinty's version of history GB allowed Southern Ireland to create a new state. :rolleyes:

Meanwhile in reality:
"Northern Ireland was created in 1921, when Ireland was partitioned by the Government of Ireland Act 1920, creating a devolved government for the six northeastern counties.
...
The region that is now Northern Ireland was long inhabited by native Gaels who were Irish-speaking and predominantly Catholic"
 
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