Thinking a bit more, since every other bit of lighting in the house utilises 'loop at rose' wiring, I'd like to stick to the same for this one, if not only to avoid people getting confused in the future. That means that I would need some sort of "4-terminal something" above the ceiling (one terminal to park the CPC) -so that will probably dictate the size of holw in the ceiling required.In fact, provided that Mr Jobsworth is not looking, I may try just using the (very) short cable as it is, and a couple of 'in-line' Wagos, perhaps encased in shrink wrap 'as a gesture'! That would gop through a very small hole
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i have these in my porch ceiling and they are nice and bright and virtually the thickness of the plasterboard
but TS do a surface mount version of the one linked to above
buy it, take it home and wire to a length of cable and see if it is bright enough and if not take it back
and you might need one of these
to make the connections above the ceiling
V-TAC LED Mini Round Panel CCT 3in1 Switchable
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but TS do a surface mount version of the one linked to above
Integral LED Multi-Fit Edge Round Downlight Wattage Adjustable IP20
A cut-out size from 65 to 205mm with a surface mountable option provides installation flexibility.• Wattage adjustable:10W 950lm, 15W 1300W and 18W 1500lm• Switches are located behind the removable bezel• Adjustable cut-out from 65mm to 205mm• Frosted TPb diffuser• 4000K Cool White•...
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buy it, take it home and wire to a length of cable and see if it is bright enough and if not take it back
and you might need one of these
Greenbrook Lighting Connector
A 4-pole 20A lighting connector for quick and efficient fitting of multiple downlights and lighting fixtures. With its simple lock-and-release system, it's so easy to wire up and connect - and just as easy to disconnect when maintenance is required. Suitable for a wide variety of connecting...
www.toolstation.com
to make the connections above the ceiling
They do, but it's appreciably more expensive than the one from TLC.
On the basis of my experiences and those of others reported here, I think that one would probably be too (or, at least, 'unnecessarily') bright.
That's the sort of "4-terminal something" I referred to above, and I'm busy looking for something small. The one you link to would require an appreciable size hole in the ceiling.and you might need one of these
to make the connections above the ceilingGreenbrook Lighting Connector
A 4-pole 20A lighting connector for quick and efficient fitting of multiple downlights and lighting fixtures. With its simple lock-and-release system, it's so easy to wire up and connect - and just as easy to disconnect when maintenance is required. Suitable for a wide variety of connecting...www.toolstation.com
There is a possible Plan B ... some ceiling roses are pretty 'slim' (about 18mm). I could put one of those on the ceiling 'in the usual way, and put a 'surround' around it, only lowering the light fitting by that 18mm (or whatever).
I suppose I could even 'recess' a standard ceiling rose into the ceiling, but that would be a little more complicated.
But to "recess" a ceiling rose would require a hole about 60 mm which is the size of some downlights or the type of flat panel light I linked to earlier
3w version
3w version
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That was the initial issue I referred to in my OP, since the eBay one I had was only about 85mm in diameter. However, the 5/6 W ones we've been subse1uently discussing are appreciably larger than that, and could easily cover a 60 mm holwe.
I should perhaps have added that the ceiling in question does not yet exist, so it would be very easy to enginner things like a 'recessed rose' should I decide to go down that route. I suppose one advantage of using a rose is that it would be very familiar to anyone who subsequently had to replace the light, whilst any other approach might cause them to 'scxratch their heads' at least a little
FYI this is what I have in the porch , I think they were 3w and the cutout was about 70mm easy to get the driver into place and to access the cables
This is the smallest 'rose' that I seem to have on 'my shelf' - about 68 mm diameter and 18 mm 'high'. Although undoubtedly sold as 'a rose', it's not really quitre a 'rose' in the sense that we expect today - it's really '4-pole' JB with a screw on cover which has a hole in the middle - but would do the job.
but the hole in the middle is for the lid fixing screw so if you cover it with a fitting how do you fiit the lid or get a cable out to the fitting
the green lighting connector i linked to above is effectively a ceiling rose connector with the appropriate number of terminals just a different shape and intended to be connected and put above the ceiling with a cable/flex to the light just as a rose has a flex to the pendantI suppose one advantage of using a rose is that it would be very familiar to anyone who subsequently had to replace the light, whilst any other approach might cause them to 'scxratch their heads' at least a little
You misunderstand. It is clearly intended as a rose in that the cover just 'screws on' (threaded around the perimetrer of the lid, as with a conventional rose), and that hole is for the cable to exit through (not for a 'cover fixing screw'). It only has 3 pairs of terminals (one pair labelled "E") plus a single terminal labelled "loop" and has a thingy to wind the outgoing cale around to provide some degree of 'strain relief'.
Yes, I understand all that but, as I said, being 55 mm x 22.5 mm, it would require a hole of at least 60mm diameter in the ceiling, which i was trying to avoid.
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