Hi can a socket be fitted in a cupboard of a down stairs shower room to power a tumble dryer if there is a door that can be closed when the tumble dryer is in use? there would be no access to the socket unless you pulled the tumble dryer out.
Socket in a cupboard
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Very likely it would comply. As it if a good idea is another question. Clearly any new socket today has to be RCD protected so unlikely to be a problem but questions like this are best answered by some one on site. I have in the past said yes can be done then seen the job and considered it did not comply after all.
So I would ask an electrician to give a quote and see what he says when he is on site.
So I would ask an electrician to give a quote and see what he says when he is on site.
yea one electrician is saying it is ok because it is closed off via the door and is not immiediatley accessible but then another is saying it is not
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If the socket is 3 metres or more from the edge of the tray it will comply anyway (with RCD protection)
its a wet room so i know in the regs it makes the zone larger to 1.2m wrapping around a partition wall, so a key to lock the cupboard would be ok then? the shower goes right upto the partition wall
I don't see a socket in a cupboard to be an issue.
If there were a w.c. in there it would be another room.
The key issue may satisfy a regulation or two but would it ever be locked and to what purpose?
Can you not operate keys with wet hands while standing in a puddle?
If there were a w.c. in there it would be another room.
The key issue may satisfy a regulation or two but would it ever be locked and to what purpose?
Can you not operate keys with wet hands while standing in a puddle?
You're surely not suggesting that when 'access requiring a tool' is required for safety (e.g. to restrict acces to live conductors) a lever-type door handle would satisfy that requirement? !!
I think the crucial bit of the defintion of a 'tool' which you're probably missing is something along the lines of the fact that it should be something which is not permanently affixed to (and hence 'always ready to be used to open') the enclosure/whatever.
Kind Regards, John
Can you find me the definition in BS 7671 which contains that provision?
As you know, I can't - but that doesn't make your suggestion any less ridiculous. Maybe even dictionary definitions would be adequate - it is surely quite clear that that the intent is that 'a tool' is something which is 'taken to the job', not a permanent part of the equipment.
Would you be happy if you had children in your house, your CU was installed low down and it's cover could be removed by means of 'screwdrivers' which were permanently welded to the cover-retaining screws' heads?
Kind Regards, John
tool   
noun
1.
an implement, especially one held in the hand, as a hammer, saw, or file, for performing or facilitating mechanical operations.
2.
any instrument of manual operation.
Don't forget it is a door.
noun
1.
an implement, especially one held in the hand, as a hammer, saw, or file, for performing or facilitating mechanical operations.
2.
any instrument of manual operation.
Don't forget it is a door.
Thanks. A door handle clear does not qualify as (1), but (2) would cover virtually anything (wot's 'an instrument'?) operated 'by hand', potentially including a door handle - although I don't think that something like that would ever be called 'a tool' in everyday usage, do you?tool  noun 1. an implement, especially one held in the hand, as a hammer, saw, or file, for performing or facilitating mechanical operations. 2. any instrument of manual operation.
I'm definitely not forgetting that, since that is my point. I continue to regard it as ridiculous to suggest that a regular door handle (on a door) renders things on the other side of door 'accessible only by use of a tool', don't you? Would you be happy for people to be protected from, say, live busbars by a door equipped with a handle, by means of which anyone could open it? !!
Kind Regards, John
Could take the plug off and connect it to a FCU
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