Someone is trying to start a war in the Ukraine, It's NOT Russia (edit: yes it is)

Notch7 said:
your view seems to be clouded by your ideological hatred of the EU
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The EU in its present form is a threat to world peace, unless it reforms and reverts back to its original concept as a free trade zone, then, to be honest, we are all in trouble.
 
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pretending you can't read, vinty?

JohnD said:
Most of Central and Eastern Europe was occupied by the Soviet Empire until after 1990, and Putin seeks to recreate it.

The whole purpose of NATO was to discourage, and marginally impede or delay, Soviet expansion. Sadly it is now needed again.
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JohnD said:
pretending you can't read, vinty?
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Nato was created to protect western Europe from supposed invasion by tb USSR.
With the demise of the Soviet Union, instead of disbanding they have expanded their area of operations to include non European countries.
Nato now seems to be the military wing of the USA/EU imperialism.
 
Putin has gone to the winter Olympics and spent a long time talking to the head of China. Most leaders have boycotted it but maybe they don't fancy China's extreme infection control.
 
Vinty said:
Nato now seems to be the military wing of the USA/EU imperialism.
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Not in some ways. The USA is far more hawkish than many parts of the EU. Nato worked effectively when Yugoslavia broke up. Peacekeepers with weapons if needed and observers. The USA and Russia joined up with bombs not so long ago. Neither are keen on terrorists.

NATO could do more really in trouble spots by adding the weapons and soldiers but generally do not seem to be too keen on the idea.
 
Vinty said:
With the demise of the Soviet Union, instead of disbanding they have expanded their area of operations to include non European countries.
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with the collapse of the Soviet Union, NATO's main purpose disappeared and they cut size, funding and big toys. UK, for example, has around 200 battle tanks in working order, and was not very concerned about scrapping the last aircraft carrier, and waiting for a new one to be built, that had no planes to fly off it. Germany ended conscription and sold off its excess hardware at scrap prices.

Now that Putin is rebuilding the Empire's ambitions, his closest neighbours, with most recent experience of occupation and dominion, are the most alarmed at the threats and evidence of expansionist actions. The larger European countries have been deploying their reserves of brave words.
 
With the threat of war the sale of white sheets in france and italy have went through the roof
 
gas112 said:
With the threat of war the sale of white sheets in france and italy have went through the roof
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It's interesting to reflect that France and Italy both suffered more war deaths than Britain or the US in WW2.

I supppose Gassy must be German or Russian, and proud of his nation's massive deaths.
 
gas112 said:
With the threat of war the sale of white sheets in france and italy have went through the roof
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Uncalled for, inappropriate, nasty and viscously cruel jibs at the many that gave their lives for freedom. I'm not French or Italian FYI but a British citizen that prides himself for being part of the UK
 
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