Speed

[ban-all-sheds]

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France for example has fairly sensible limits, though I do wonder how the device will know if its raining or not.

Given that France has the fairly sensible system of different speed limits when raining then one assumes that there will have to be a way to update in real time the information which the devices use to determine what speed limit applies at any point in time.

That feature will also be needed to deal with all kinds of variable and temporary speed limits with which we are all familiar.

It seems odd to expect one size to fit all with regard to limiter technology.

Who has suggested that one size will be expected to fit all with regard to limiter technology, and where have those people who have suggested that one size will be expected to fit all with regard to limiter technology suggested that one size will be expected to fit all with regard to limiter technology?

 

[motorbiking]

As a "solution" to a "problem". i.e. automatic speed limit compliance is a one size fits all solution to road casualties. If it's not for safety why are they doing it? I would argue that there are different priorities in different countries.

 

[noseall]

I would argue that there are different priorities in different countries.

Speed kills in all countries.

 

[motorbiking]

very true speeding was a factor in 13.8% of UK fatal accidents. (and less than 5% of all accidents) Something must be done.

Lets ignore the other 95%

source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/ras50-contributory-factors

 

[noseall]

Something must be done.

Correct. A lot of costly deaths. The financial toll alone, of a single road fatality is huge.

 

[durhamplumber]

very true speeding was a factor in 13.8% of UK fatal accidents. (and less than 5% of all accidents) Something must be done.

Lets ignore the other 95%

source https://www.gov.uk/government/statistical-data-sets/ras50-contributory-factors

Those figures will be very very debatable,,,not an exact science for a start,,working out speed before impact..Even 10% of 25k is huge numbers of death and injury..as said,,hell on over a 737,,about 200 deaths,,,but lets ground them all and give Boeing hell.queer attitude

 

[motorbiking]

Killed and seriously injured is misleading. SI can be very minor and not anywhere near life changing for the vast majority of people (SI is likely to require hospital treatment). My worry is people think "speed kills" may also think that speed limiters will make them safer drivers. Meanwhile 70% of accidents occur because people didn't look properly before doing something. These limiters will cost a lot to introduce, may well cause accidents in certain cases combined with human error and do nothing to address 70+% of accidents. As a EU wide measure where we have fairly different speed limit policies it really doesn't make much sense.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

As a "solution" to a "problem". i.e. automatic speed limit compliance is a one size fits all solution to road casualties. If it's not for safety why are they doing it? I would argue that there are different priorities in different countries.

Do you think that we should have any speed limits on any roads?

Simple question - yes or no answer

 

[ban-all-sheds]

As a EU wide measure where we have fairly different speed limit policies it really doesn't make much sense.

Please explain how the fact that different countries have different speed limits will be a problem in, or of any relevance to, any one country.

MOD: Quote fixed.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Why do you say the numbers are being played down?

The numbers have been cited as what they are.

I should have said down playing the dangers of speeding. The whole tone of the pro-speeding argument, and the ridiculous idea that faster is safer, is selfish. Only people who like driving at speed would argue in favour of it, and for the sole reason that they like driving at speed.

The same thing happens in the pro-cannabis world. Dope legalisers lie about the medical benefits of the drug, when the real reason they want it made legal is for their own selfish pleasure.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Here are some examples:
- You are slowly overtaking a large left hand drive vehicle, when it indicates to move in to your lane. Continue at current speed assuming he intends to wait or assume he hasn't seen you and accelerate to quickly get out of danger?
- You are at the head of a bunch of vehicles with a clear space and see vehicles approaching from a merge ramp. Continue at your current speed and let them work out where they should merge in as you have right of way, slow down increasing the density of traffic behind you or accelerate to create space?
- You are following a slow vehicle on a single carriage way, the road opens up and you can see its clear to safely overtake. Just sit there? creep by taking all the available space to overtake or get out an on with it quickly?
- You are driving on a twisty country road with straights between the bends. Set a nice slow speed that enables you to navigate the bends at the same speed as the straights or slow right down for the bends and accelerate on the straights.

The answer is slow down. In anticipation of any possible danger, slowing down is the right thing to do. Safety, rather than the convenience of other motorists, is first. Speed might or might not be the cause of an accident, but the slower you are going the less severe it will be.

A stupid thing I see every day on the roads is drivers accelerating towards traffic lights. When approaching traffic lights you should ease off the accelerator and cover the brake in readiness to stop. Audi / BMW / Mercedes drivers take note.

 

[transam]

The offence of speeding ? any one who has driven a car or M/C

Is and has been guilty of that offence

 

[motorbiking]

Why would the police play down the dangers of speeding?
If breaking the speed limit was such a cause of death, why do most forces operate a 10%+9mph policy for court referral and a 10%+2mph policy driver improvement referral?

 

[transam]

A some what slightly different point but sort of speeding related

In the 80's ( certainly 1980) all (?) American cars only had speedo's that went up to 80mph ??? dunno what the reasoning was ?

A sort of if u cannot see it u wont do it ? some were also very low geared (imo)

1980 C3 corvettes for example ?

 

[durhamplumber]

Meanwhile 70% of accidents occur because people didn't look properly before doing something. These

Where are you plucking this stuff from...look around,,,everyday ppl speeding everywhere,too close,,in too much hurry to look properly,,whichever you want to dance around it,,,breaking speed limits is a major factor in accidents