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he must have been squareing up , or else he wouldn't have got one in the eye, sticking up for his mate who spat cost him,
but i know what you mean.
we all prefer to be nice,,
don't we?
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Spitting is indeed a filthy habit, disgusting, especially if it is aimed at a person.
However, I think it entirely wrong to retaliate with violence. That makes your behaviour as bad as his, if not worse.
What if he hadn't woken up? You'd be on a more serious charge than ABH.
I know that certain elements of society are acting like yobs & assaulting and murdering others. It is not right, but neither is retaliation. Now, self defence is fine. But can you justify knocking him cold for a lengthy period self defence? I guess the police didn't.
Frankly I am shocked at how many here are in full support of what you did. The more people start thinking and acting in this manner, the further we stray from law & order.
Now, I know what you're gong to say: "What law & order?". But just think about this.. The police are not perfect, nor are the courts or the jails.
But we just can't take the law into our own hands when we see fit, can we?
What will happen to society if we go down that road?
However, I think it entirely wrong to retaliate with violence. That makes your behaviour as bad as his, if not worse.
What if he hadn't woken up? You'd be on a more serious charge than ABH.
I know that certain elements of society are acting like yobs & assaulting and murdering others. It is not right, but neither is retaliation. Now, self defence is fine. But can you justify knocking him cold for a lengthy period self defence? I guess the police didn't.
Frankly I am shocked at how many here are in full support of what you did. The more people start thinking and acting in this manner, the further we stray from law & order.
Now, I know what you're gong to say: "What law & order?". But just think about this.. The police are not perfect, nor are the courts or the jails.
But we just can't take the law into our own hands when we see fit, can we?
What will happen to society if we go down that road?
your absolutley right ,i agree
in this case he just lost his rag that's all ,
he's a bloke and sometimes it's what happens ,
i pesonally have walked away from similar situations plenty of times ,
but on some occasions haven't ,
it's not the best decision,, but sometimes
sometimes the most decent of us can be DRAWN IN so to speak,
i'm sure everyone concerned will be alright,
they definitley wont do what they did again, lesson learned on all sides
i,m your man
in this case he just lost his rag that's all ,
he's a bloke and sometimes it's what happens ,
i pesonally have walked away from similar situations plenty of times ,
but on some occasions haven't ,
it's not the best decision,, but sometimes
sometimes the most decent of us can be DRAWN IN so to speak,
i'm sure everyone concerned will be alright,
they definitley wont do what they did again, lesson learned on all sides
i,m your man
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Don't agree Surespark. The Law can't protect us from these filthy scum, the law protects the perpetrator of the disgusting behaviour which caused the incident. The more guys we have around such as Soggy, then the less chance there will be for the rest of us to have to endure the behaviour of these scum bags.
As Soggy said, he did not mean to cause the guy so much damage but retaliation was justified and one can't sit down first and calculate how hard to hit the scum bag.
The law has made this country such that we have to have people like Soggy. If the law protected Us properly then the Scum Bags would not be around for Soggy to have to react to.
When we have crimes like as already been mentioned ie Scum Bags killing people over a bottle of wine or a cigarette, what is the general public supposed to do- Turn the other cheek is not appropriate in these days of Political correctness and inadequate laws. The law is by their very ineffectiveness is actually promoting vigilante action, as that is all they have left us with.
As Soggy said, he did not mean to cause the guy so much damage but retaliation was justified and one can't sit down first and calculate how hard to hit the scum bag.
The law has made this country such that we have to have people like Soggy. If the law protected Us properly then the Scum Bags would not be around for Soggy to have to react to.
When we have crimes like as already been mentioned ie Scum Bags killing people over a bottle of wine or a cigarette, what is the general public supposed to do- Turn the other cheek is not appropriate in these days of Political correctness and inadequate laws. The law is by their very ineffectiveness is actually promoting vigilante action, as that is all they have left us with.
turn the other cheek so they can nock another tooth out, dont think so
i believe equall retaliation is justified, eye for an eye , tooth for a tooth etc.,,,, but forgivness is the best (but you have to be a saint to do that )
i believe equall retaliation is justified, eye for an eye , tooth for a tooth etc.,,,, but forgivness is the best (but you have to be a saint to do that
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As securespark obviously thinks most us are barbarians for siding with soggy, can he advise what soggy should have done.
Securespark, what would you do if some scrott gobbed on you?
Securespark, what would you do if some scrott gobbed on you?
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And what will happen to society if they are continually allowed to get away with it?
What would you have done..asked for their name and address, attempted to restrain them til the police arrived or put your hand on their shoulder and make a citizens arrest and ask them to stand still til the police came...all of which would have probably earned you either a kicking by any mate they had around or total ridicule...or both
Im not an aggressive person at all..but in some situation you either dont have the time..or your temper kicks in and before you know it you have reacted.
Secure...if someone walked along beside you aiming punches at your chops..for no good reason are you honestly saying you would let them carry on for fear of injuring them badly and getting sued or put away?
Restraining them may cause them to fatally injure themselves (ask the police
) they could have an heart attack..whateverThe fact remains they gobbed at an innocent guy doing nothing..who taught them a lesson, next time they may think again
Its letting them get away with it gives them the green light to carry on doing it.
However..its all down to your personal make up..some people are not fighters, they are completely non agressive and are scared and intimidated in these situations...and thats fair enough, not everyone has to capability to fight..and in those instances they are better to walk away.
People cant be condemned just becasue 'thats not their way' either.
yeh...just ask big bad John Prescott
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Look,
I didnt mean to cause an argument here!
Whilst I agree with the 'diynot bretheren' who have expressed positive comments on my actions, I understand why members are either appalled (sic) or just disagree with what I did.
To be spat on is abhorrent. A mans germs sprayed all over your face, coupled with his slimy saliva (sic).
My head has very little germs and even less saliva (sic again). BUT.... it has in strength what that man had in 'spit'.
So when I was showering his germs off, he was in a nice hospital bed.
Sorry secure, but I just wont have it.
Dave
I didnt mean to cause an argument here!
Whilst I agree with the 'diynot bretheren' who have expressed positive comments on my actions, I understand why members are either appalled (sic) or just disagree with what I did.
To be spat on is abhorrent. A mans germs sprayed all over your face, coupled with his slimy saliva (sic).
My head has very little germs and even less saliva (sic again). BUT.... it has in strength what that man had in 'spit'.
So when I was showering his germs off, he was in a nice hospital bed.
Sorry secure, but I just wont have it.
Dave
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It is awful, I know & I would be extremely upset.
Nevertheless, I would walk away. I don't fancy my chances fighting against someone else. Knowing my luck if I used violence against that person (assuming I believed that to be the right thing to do, which I don't), they would hit back, resulting in greater injury (or even death) to myself.
But that isn't the only reason why I think it is wrong to react in a violent manner to this kind of situaton.
I (rightly or wrongly) believe that retaliation is wrong. Self defence is another thing entirely.
If someone spat at or on me, I would react by walking away. That would be my primary self defence. If that person then persisted, I would again attempt to get away. If that were not possible, or if that person escalated their actions towards me, then I would use as little force as possible to try and protect myself, ie holding him at arms length, in a head-lock or by sitting on him - I have used this in the past!
But actual violence would be a last resort.
what if you after all your efforts to get away, and be easy as possible on this person, you personally got the blame for eventually retaliating to this onslaught,,
would you still think the law was right?
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In all honesty, I would stand up in court & put my hand on my heart and say truthfully that my initial reaction to the spitting attack was to walk away but that I was repeatedly confronted by this individual & subsequently physically assaulted. I would explain that I initially used non-violent self defence measures to prevent the attack but that failed so I was forced to use stronger measures to protect myself.
I would like to think that the above account would illustrate that I tried my best to:
1. avoid confrontation in the first place by walking away.
2. use non-violent self defence measures when forced into confrontation.
This I would hope would be sufficient to show the judge that I was only using reasonable force to defend myself.
I would like to think that the above account would illustrate that I tried my best to:
1. avoid confrontation in the first place by walking away.
2. use non-violent self defence measures when forced into confrontation.
This I would hope would be sufficient to show the judge that I was only using reasonable force to defend myself.
Then you got found gu1lty 6 months 1ns1de, you get out, the same weekend, the same scenenar1o ar1ses??
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Fair enough securespark, if thats your way, then thats your way.
But I do think a bit of instant justice is preferable. I'd imagine that particular scrott will have a bit more respect for people in the future.
But I do think a bit of instant justice is preferable. I'd imagine that particular scrott will have a bit more respect for people in the future.
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I agree, fear is a terrible thing and sometimes the threat and repercussions of violence are worse than the actual act..if ifs not in someone then its not in them, end of story.
I equally agree with the second point coleslaw made..
Can you imagine that bullying piece of dirt telling his mates how he got done by someone after he gobbed at him for nothing.
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