Street Lighting

[IWalkLikeHimaMartian]

So the reason why street lamps are lit all night is to apply the speed limit?
It seems a bit overkill, or energy inefficient process of applying the speed limit.

 

[empip]

Not so, not to apply speed limit. More to help identify a 'built up' area.
Lit or not, under 200 yards spacing, no other restriction posted - 30 MPH.
Looks like a lawyer named Anthony Hook was querying the 'lit bit'

The actual law doesn't appear to mention 'lit'.
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[JohnD]

round my way there are 30mph limit signs.

the street lamps rule is just a backstop and reminder.

 

[motorbiking]

incorrect. Which bit of the law didn't you understand?

 

[JohnD]

Are you telling me that there is a law saying 30mph limit signs do not have any effect?

What does 82 (2) (b) mean?

 

[motorbiking]

i'm telling you that it's not lawful to place a 30mph repeater on a restricted road when there's a compliant system of street lights.

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01921/SN01921.pdf

just checking you know the difference between a terminal sign and a repeater. (terminals come in pairs and are big)

When a bit of law says subject to the provisions of.. it means the rest still applies.

 

[JohnD]

I didn't mention repeaters.

 

[motorbiking]

the street lamps rule is just a backstop and reminder.

is wrong. for the avoidance of any doubt.

and 30mph terminals without street lights or repeaters are not enforceable.

It needs both.

 

[JohnD]

so let's suppose you're driving up the A9 at 40 in your huge artic.

you approach the tiny hamlet of Stoneybridge.

There is a 30mph sign.

There is only one streetlight, at the crossroads next to the Stoneybridge Commercial and Railway hotel (closed).

I say the 30mph sign as you enter Stoneybridge tells you the limit is 30mph, regardless of the paucity of streetlamps.

 

[motorbiking]

What was the last applicable speed limit? National? then it's a 40mph limit (since i'm in a truck and its scotland )

single 30 limit sign has no effect. There are loads of villages like this.

 

[empip]

A useful Gov' document :- 'Speed Limits in England' Number CBP00468, 30 August 2017

http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN00468/SN00468.pdf

Notes that '...ACPO no longer exists and is now the National Police Chiefs Council (NPCC);...'
and
'...Police forces continue to follow the Association of Chief Police Officers
(ACPO) guidance to chief constables on speed enforcement policy,
updated in 2013.51...
...However, the ACPO guidance also states that the guidelines “do not
and cannot replace the police officer's discretion”:...'

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