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[RogueHanger]

I have sussed it.

RH is a spin-doctor.

If you're a dizzy racist, just come out and say it.
We won't run rings round you.

 

[noseall]

We won't run rings round you.

Hardly difficult is it.

It's not as if they have the benefit of brains or wit to back their up their repetitive diatribe.

 

[Whitespirit66]

I personally didn't read anything into it, and took it for a play-on-words insult (which I am as sure as one can be on a forum, was how it was intended).

I think everyone on here took it that way. We're all sensible, rational adults (with one obvious exception) and would normally treat it as the purile jibe that it was. Too good an opportunity to pass it by without a little 'what goes around, comes around' humiliation and ridicule for the buffoon that wrote it.

Of course, out there in lefty-land and the anti-discrimination industry, such a slip up would have justified their pathetic existence and meant them all competing with each other to see who can be the most offended and outraged.

Just shows up lefties for what they have always been. Ludicrous, gutless hypocrites.

First of all you plonkers claim racism when I accidentally use a potentially racially abusive comment, and you call for the mods to intervene. I point out your pathetic snivelling behaviour after making so many racist comments youselves.
Then I apologise, because I realise I made a mistake. So you accuse me of doing it on purpose.
Now I've pointed out that anyone who has to apologise in public would defintely not set themselves up for the ignominy and humiliation.
Now you try to suggest that you didn't consider it racially abusive in the first place and you're suggesting it was just banter.

Well, my apology stands because, as I mentioned before, to a casual reader it could be construed that I did use a racially abusive term and therefore I am a racist. I was mortified when it was pointed out. I wanted to set that record straight. Hopefully I have achieved that.

Now if ****espirit thinks it's gutless hypocrites who apologise, then I would suggest he wouldn't understand the concept. I would suggest he's just insulting because he's nothing left, no integrity, no honour, no honesty, no respect and no decency.

As usual, Coahanger, you are twisting things. I NEVER once said that you are gutless or a hypocrite for apologising. If you re-read the post, I had moved on from discussing you and was referring to lefties and the anti-discrimination industry in general.

To quote you - 'Then he comes out with another wierd and wild statement'.

I wasn't offended, because I subscribe to old-fashioned ideas about 'sticks and stones.......' Many people these days seem to be fragile, emotional jellies who need to dial 999 if names are used. Your apology (not sure who you were apologising to though) is the only thing on this forum that has left you with a scintilla of credit.

You need to be more careful and read things properly. Other wise you are going to say more ill-advised things and get the wrong end of the stick. Again.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I have sussed it.

RH is a spin-doctor.

If you're a dizzy racist, just come out and say it.
We won't run rings round you.

You will find nothing anywhere to suggest I am a racist.

It was just your continual ring-running around anything and everything that lead me to the conclusion.

 

[Big Tone]

I'm sure no one was really bothered about your remark Rogue. The subsequent 'ribbing' you had was simply a response to your obsession, (which IS how it comes across), trying to equate every single little thing to be a racist comment and racist person.

So, and because of that, when you made a racist remark yourself it was a case of 'right back at ya!' (As they say in America).

No one is laughing at you for apologising for a genuine mistake and you seem more bothered about that than anyone else here! If anything, as said, you are respected for that. (I've apologised in the past when I have been wrong or inappropriate FYI). It's this petty, pedantic and obsessive nit-picking at 'our' posts to 'prove' you are the only non-racist person here; like it's endemic throughout DIYnot.

Do you have aspurgers? Seriously, you tick so many 'boxes' I could easily belive that. I dated a girl who was. Weird and goofy, but could recall what we eat for lunch in Portugal ten years ago on holiday and she would remind me of when my cousin's or sister's birthday was (Rain woman).

 

[longdogs]

I accidentally use a corruption of ****espirits username (derived from his racist attitude) and the pathetic, snivelling racists call for the Mods to intervene.
How cowardly and juvenile is that?
(NB I've changed the potential racially abusive term in my quote.)

Well done ****espirit.

That must be the biggest racist statement made at any time on DIYNOT,and he's allowed to get away with it.

You beat me to it enyam. Not only should the comment be in the 'insults' forum that coathanger suggests but that is definitely a RACIST COMMENT
Mods???????

Where were you when you made your own racists remarks, all those number of times in so many threads. Not only you three snivelling cowards but the other few racist posters as well.

I made a brief, unsubstantiated statement. Coathanger used juvenile insults (which eventually turned racist) to try to discredit the statement. ........../
/................ Anyone who says different, even with proof, is a racist and either deluded or lying.

First of all: Coathanger, You keep apologising for mistakenly making a racist 'error'. Now, if that was any other poster on here, I would probably give them the benefit of the doubt. But, as you seem to be the world's expert on racism (the only reason you joined the forum infact), there is absolutely no way you could have made that remark by accident.

Didn't he state somewhere that is why he joined.It was no accident he meant it.

I did say I gave it some serious consideration before aplogising, and I apologised.
Now if anyone has gone though the process of realising that you've accidentally done something wrong and against your raison d'etre, you'll realise the humility that is experienced. Added to that the public ignominy that an apology will cause, you may perhaps understand the strength of feeling that motivates one to make such a public apology.

Now the dopey plonker racists think that I did all that on purpose.
They really are imbeciles.

They need to discredit someone else by any means possible to divert attention from their own racist and prejudiced views.

I feel a bit sorry for you. You must sit at your computer with steam coming out of your ears. You need to relax and stop trying to save the world.

As far as I am aware I have not made any racist comments, due to the fact that I am not a racist. If I have accidentally, then I apologise as you have.

Please reply with a sentence including the words: Plonker, Dopey, Racist, Coward, Imbecile, Snivelling etc. Thank you.

 

[LastMagicBean]

I'm sure no one was really bothered about your remark Rogue.

Not true, I'm thoroughly upset.

I wanted to see at least two more pages of his ass being kicked.

 

[RogueHanger]

I feel a bit sorry for you. You must sit at your computer with steam coming out of your ears. You need to relax and stop trying to save the world.

Firstly, you may have noticed that the majority of my posts are made in the cold light of day, after a good nights sleep. Unlike yours, posted in the evening, probably looking through the haze at the bottom of a beer glass.

As far as I am aware I have not made any racist comments, due to the fact that I am not a racist. If I have accidentally, then I apologise as you have.

If that was a genuine apology, I would salute you, but somehow I suspect it's a mickey mouse apology, squeaky.
My reasons are as many as your posts:

could we say make black people stand outside to eat their bananas? Of course not, that would be disrespectful to to black people and rightly so.

Now, admittedly, I used that quote from a while ago 'cos I couldn't be bothered to trawl through your posts. There were some other interesting comments around that post of yours, but that's another story.
However, your overt support of the posters that do make explicit racially abusive comments suggests also that your attitude is inherently racist.
Comments such as:

You beat me to it enyam. Not only should the comment be in the 'insults' forum that coathanger suggests but that is definitely a RACIST COMMENT

Mods???????

When as far as I'm aware you're very happy to let all the other racially abusive comments stay.
Also:

But, as you seem to be the world's expert on racism (the only reason you joined the forum infact), there is absolutely no way you could have made that remark by accident.

Secondly: If there is little difference between animals being slaughtered in the conventional and having their throats cut, why does it have a muslim title? Halal. Why not 'bled to death?'

It doesn't bother me at all if every restaurant, café, supermarket in the country sells 'halal' meat, but just out of politeness to those who object, the facts should be made clear and should be given the choice whether to eat it or not. Personally, I would not choose to eat because I do not agree with the method.

You do have a choice to eat meat or not. You normally do not have a choice about eating meat that has been stunned, then its throat cut.
That is the method, irrespective of it being Halal or not.

Additionally, you appear to think that offering interest-free banking is racist.

Seriously, I'm with Lloyds and I was shocked to see leaflets for islamic accounts in my local branch. This may just prompt me to change banks, as the other banks don't offer these types of accounts.

You would honestly change banks, rather than change accounts with the same bank?
Your wisdom knows no bounds!

Fair play to you though, There's not many that would be prepared to be disadvantaged for a principle.
I salute you on that one. I hope I have the courage to display my belief in principles.

Many people in this country (England) still have principles and it's because others simply 'roll their eyes' that companies like Lloyds can get away with this racist sh*t. If all their non-Islamic customers threatened to leave the bank, they would have to reconsider.

Good on yer B&L

I would suggest to you that you have a very one-sided view of what constitutes racism, hence in your view, you are not a racist.
So a) your apology would be considerd to be insincere, or mickey mouse, squeaky, and b) you haven't yet understood the concepts of our discussion.

Please reply with a sentence including the words: Plonker, Dopey, Racist, Coward, Imbecile, Snivelling etc. Thank you.

No, on this occasion, I'll let my reasoned argument stand on its own merit.

Whereas, you can either recant your apology, or demonstrate that it was sincere and "walk the walk" in future, or continue with your insincerity and just your "talking the talk".

 

[cajar]

Sorry to see you getting such a hard time over your racist comments roguehanger. Don't underestimate the power of doublespeak in these situations, ie maybe you could call it 'positive insults' or 'reverse bigotry' instead of racism and it'd be ok, because it's no longer racism.

 

[RogueHanger]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about, 'cos I sure as hell don't.
Let's do an analysis of your post:

Sorry to see you getting such a hard time over your racist comments roguehanger.

It wasn't a racist comment. Surely by definition a comment must be intended to be racially abusive for it to be described as racist. My comment was not intended to be racially abusive, therefore it cannot be described as racist.

Don't underestimate the power of doublespeak in these situations,

Doublespeak is language that deliberately disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak[/QUOTE]
Now it's not obvious who you are suggesting is using doubelspeak. If you're suggesting it's me, kindly elucidate how you think that is so.
Similarly, if you think it's you using doublespeak, pehaps you'll be good enough to explain.

ie maybe you could call it 'positive insults'

In summary, you have the ability to make basically anything you say positive or negative. If you focus on the good aspects and assume the best of people, you will be making the foum a better place every day. If you focus instead on bad aspects, or assume the worst of others, you will just make the community more and more toxic.

So, I'd like to think that I do use positive insults, but I suspect that it's a forlorn hope.

or 'reverse bigotry' instead of racism and it'd be ok, because it's no longer racism.

-“People can be racist against white people too.”

No, they cannot. There is an inherent logical fallacy in your argument that will never make it true. However, white people can be discrimated against. Discrimination is different from racism.

Racism is when intolerance in attitudes and ideals of a society are ingrained in a culture to the point where patterns of discrimination towards a certain race are institutionalized as normal. If you keep this in mind, you’ll understand that reverse racism doesn’t- and can’t- exist.
http://callingoutbigotry.tumblr.com/post/51288105158/why-reverse-racism-doesnt-exist[/QUOTE]

This is a subtle re-definition of the word "racism". I'm not absolutely comfortable with it. However it does illustrate that the attitudes of a lot of contibutors on this forum have become so ingrained to the point that it appears normal.

The owners of this site must bear the responsibility for this situation, allowing it to develop to this degree.

 

[RogueHanger]

I'm sure no one was really bothered about your remark Rogue. The subsequent 'ribbing' you had was simply a response to your obsession, (which IS how it comes across), trying to equate every single little thing to be a racist comment and racist person.

You must be a competent sailor, BT. You have the ability to change tack faster that Ben Ainslie ever could.
Your pevious post after my faux pas:

He will wait and wait and wait for a post which he can attack and distance himself from his comment. (Or post tons and tonnes).

Don't worry RH, our memories are long. (Give someone enough rope...).

So, and because of that, when you made a racist remark yourself it was a case of 'right back at ya!' (As they say in America).

As I patiently explained to cajar, for a remark to be racist there must be some intent behind it. There was no such intent behind my remark. Therefore it was a comment that could be construed as racist, but it was not intended as such.

No one is laughing at you for apologising for a genuine mistake and you seem more bothered about that than anyone else here!

Quite the contrary. I did say that I expected (even deserved) the ignominy. I should have realised the potential in my comment without it being pointed out to me.

It's this petty, pedantic and obsessive nit-picking at 'our' posts to 'prove' you are the only non-racist person here; like it's endemic throughout DIYnot.

a) you state that you abhor racism ,yet you seem to be oblivious to the racial abusive comments made in GD foum.
b) I think that racism is endemic in the GD forum, not in DIYnot.

Do you have aspurgers? Seriously, you tick so many 'boxes' I could easily belive that. I dated a girl who was. Weird and goofy, but could recall what we eat for lunch in Portugal ten years ago on holiday and she would remind me of when my cousin's or sister's birthday was (Rain woman).

You're resorting to juvenile insinuations.
Grow up!
Walk the walk, if you can. You're continually demonstrating that you are incapable.

 

[RogueHanger]

I personally didn't read anything into it, and took it for a play-on-words insult (which I am as sure as one can be on a forum, was how it was intended).

I think everyone on here took it that way. We're all sensible, rational adults (with one obvious exception) and would normally treat it as the purile jibe that it was. Too good an opportunity to pass it by without a little 'what goes around, comes around' humiliation and ridicule for the buffoon that wrote it.

Of course, out there in lefty-land and the anti-discrimination industry, such a slip up would have justified their pathetic existence and meant them all competing with each other to see who can be the most offended and outraged.

Just shows up lefties for what they have always been. Ludicrous, gutless hypocrites.

First of all you plonkers claim racism when I accidentally use a potentially racially abusive comment, and you call for the mods to intervene. I point out your pathetic snivelling behaviour after making so many racist comments youselves.
Then I apologise, because I realise I made a mistake. So you accuse me of doing it on purpose.
Now I've pointed out that anyone who has to apologise in public would defintely not set themselves up for the ignominy and humiliation.
Now you try to suggest that you didn't consider it racially abusive in the first place and you're suggesting it was just banter.

Well, my apology stands because, as I mentioned before, to a casual reader it could be construed that I did use a racially abusive term and therefore I am a racist. I was mortified when it was pointed out. I wanted to set that record straight. Hopefully I have achieved that.

Now if ****espirit thinks it's gutless hypocrites who apologise, then I would suggest he wouldn't understand the concept. I would suggest he's just insulting because he's nothing left, no integrity, no honour, no honesty, no respect and no decency.

As usual, Coahanger, you are twisting things. I NEVER once said that you are gutless or a hypocrite for apologising. If you re-read the post, I had moved on from discussing you and was referring to lefties and the anti-discrimination industry in general.

Another twist. Can there be anymore. Of course there can, ****espirit often goes round in circles. He'll disappear up his own backside soon.

[I wasn't offended, because I subscribe to old-fashioned ideas about 'sticks and stones.......' Many people these days seem to be fragile, emotional jellies who need to dial 999 if names are used. Your apology (not sure who you were apologising to though) is the only thing on this forum that has left you with a scintilla of credit.

My apology was for anyone who was offended.

[You need to be more careful and read things properly. Other wise you are going to say more ill-advised things and get the wrong end of the stick. Again.

pot, kettel, black.

 

[cajar]

A comment doesn't have to be intended as a racist comment, for it to be considered racist. What matters is how it was taken. As many people have indicated they saw it as a racist comment, that is precisely what it is.

Even if we take your word for it that you didn't mean your racist comment in a racist way, the fact is you made a racial slur.

 

[cajar]

or 'reverse bigotry' instead of racism and it'd be ok, because it's no longer racism.

-“People can be racist against white people too.”

No, they cannot. There is an inherent logical fallacy in your argument that will never make it true. However, white people can be discrimated against. Discrimination is different from racism.

Racism is when intolerance in attitudes and ideals of a society are ingrained in a culture to the point where patterns of discrimination towards a certain race are institutionalized as normal. If you keep this in mind, you’ll understand that reverse racism doesn’t- and can’t- exist.
http://callingoutbigotry.tumblr.com/post/51288105158/why-reverse-racism-doesnt-exist[/QUOTE]

This is a subtle re-definition of the word "racism". I'm not absolutely comfortable with it. However it does illustrate that the attitudes of a lot of contibutors on this forum have become so ingrained to the point that it appears normal.

Interesting tumblr link. Here is another excerpt from that post "Just ONE white person has more power to do actual harm to a black person than one hundred black people do to that white person. A white person can KILL a black person without any consequences, "

Outrageous statement with nothing to back it up. Just like the bit you quoted. Still stand by that source?


Also, I think everyone else on here knows exactly what I mean when I talk about doublespeak and you, roguehanger. If you still need it spelled out for you then we can only conclude you must be doing 20mph in a 30mph zone.

 

[RogueHanger]

A comment doesn't have to be intended as a racist comment, for it to be considered racist. What matters is how it was taken. As many people have indicated they saw it as a racist comment, that is precisely what it is.

Even if we take your word for it that you didn't mean your racist comment in a racist way, the fact is you made a racial slur.

OK, and I apologised. I suppose I deserve a hard time and I expect it.

But as you've made so many intentionally racially abusive comments yourself, do you really think you're in a good position to give me a hard time. I don't think so.