Switch and flood light issue

[Hyperway]

Thanks for diagram. Unfortunately that relay is a nightmare to get. Its only in Germany and shipping is twice or three times the price of the item.

 

[bernardgreen]

It is a pair of pulse operated switches, one pulse to turn a switch on , then a second pulse will switch it off

Switching relay AC 253...207V 10A - Pulse switch RDS U1

 

[EFLImpudence]

Oh dear.

I'll get me coat.

 

[SUNRAY]

Thanks for diagram, so A1 live A2 neutral… is B1 not used? Are you able to draw on this photo easy for me to understand? Thank you

My drawing was for the relay I suggested.

View attachment 264080

This would be better:

To prevent an active (or faulty) pir to hold the relay on when override switch is released.[/S]


EDIT: Written before i saw last few posts.
I suggest go back to Screwfix relay (contactor), Bernards enclosure and circuit in posts #20, #22 & #25.

 

[Hyperway]

Thanks, I looked at that Screwfix relay, it says the size of the suitable cable is a minimum of 6mm. I could do with one that works with 1.5mm - 2.5mm

 

[bernardgreen]

Finder_DIN_base

• bernardgreen
• 8 Nov 2015

two pole relay
RS Stock No.: 376-824 Mfr. Part No.: 40.52.8.230.0000 Brand: Finder
socket
RS Stock No.: 776-1642 Mfr. Part No.: 95.85.3SMA Brand: Finder

 

[flameport]

Thanks, I looked at that Screwfix relay, it says the size of the suitable cable is a minimum of 6mm.

Screwfix is wrong.
It can be used with smaller wires.

 

[Hyperway]

Just to say I purchased the screwfix option suggested by Sunray, wired as EFLImpudence diagram. Happy to confirm working exactly as described. Thank you all that contributed to the thread, really appreciate the support.

 

[SUNRAY]

Just to say I purchased the screwfix option suggested by Sunray, wired as EFLImpudence diagram. Happy to confirm working exactly as described. Thank you all that contributed to the thread, really appreciate the support.

When you switch the override off, Sometimes you may find all the lights stay on if one of the PIR's is triggered. It's not a fault, just a quirk of the way it's wired.

 

[SimonH2]

When you switch the override off, Sometimes you may find all the lights stay on if one of the PIR's is triggered. It's not a fault, just a quirk of the way it's wired.

How so ? That implies that with the relay on, a supply from one of the PIRs can hold it on - but the switch is in the supply to the relay coil so with the switch off, there's no route for that circuit.

 

[SUNRAY]

How so ? That implies that with the relay on, a supply from one of the PIRs can hold it on - but the switch is in the supply to the relay coil so with the switch off, there's no route for that circuit.

There is when the relay is energised.

 

[SimonH2]

There is when the relay is energised.

Are we talking about the same setup ?

I suggest go back to Screwfix relay (contactor), Bernards enclosure and circuit in posts #20, #22 & #25.
View attachment 264097

Open the switch, there is then no connection to A1, therefore no current through the coil, relay opens - regardless fo state of the PIRs.

 

[SUNRAY]

This is what has been installed

Override operated (red contact positions) provides 3 current paths in orange

Then PIR 1 triggers (Pink) providing potential additional current pathes in purple

Then override switch off leaves the 3 purple paths

 

[SimonH2]

Are we talking about the same setup ?

This is what has been installed

So, no we're not talking about the same setup then. I'd have done it as you drew it.

 

[SUNRAY]

Just to say I purchased the screwfix option suggested by Sunray, wired as EFLImpudence diagram.

Happy to confirm working exactly as described. Thank you all that contributed to the thread, really appreciate the support.

So, no we're not talking about the same setup then. I'd have done it as you drew it.

I'd have preferred that but I don't know how the existing is cabled and wired, it may not be easy.