In defence of Winston Churchill, although he did unnecessarily personalise things by naming toffee, 90 plus per cent of the threads in general discussion are nothing more than fatuous waffle so one shouldn't be too offended when this is pointed out. Most areas of diy have already been covered even though the sites search facility is at best dodgy. Therefore admin have to justify the bandwidth and appeal to advertisers by enrolling as many new members as possible. Hence general discussion. Which incidentally is not an original feature of the site. And there's nothing wrong with a little vacuous nonsense after all, just don't get too high and mighty about it!