That 9/11 programme last night
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Back on topic for a second. I stumbled into the programme 10 minutes in and was utterly glued. I thought the lack of narration and just tying the time line together with numerous video and audio clips was superb. I was completely transfixed. Listening to the fire-fighters commentary was harrowing in the extreme. Very, very brave souls.
father inlaw was a NY fire chief, brother inlaw NYPD port authority.
both off that day
another brother inlaw Artie, was on the clean up as were thousands of others.
he died 2005 of stomach and bowel cancer.
people are still dying from the fall out
when you stand at the site of ground zero, only then do you feel the utter magnitude of the event
both off that day
another brother inlaw Artie, was on the clean up as were thousands of others.
he died 2005 of stomach and bowel cancer.
people are still dying from the fall out
when you stand at the site of ground zero, only then do you feel the utter magnitude of the event
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In 1998, my brother and I went up onto the trade centre viewing deck on the roof.
It's weird to think that the magnificent structure that we were on, to get an amazing view of Manhattan and beyond, no longer exists.
Its scarey to think that people were standing where we stood, who saw the planes coming into the tower below them. There but for the grace......
It's weird to think that the magnificent structure that we were on, to get an amazing view of Manhattan and beyond, no longer exists.
Its scarey to think that people were standing where we stood, who saw the planes coming into the tower below them. There but for the grace......
sorry should have said,
Artie was only 39
Artie was only 39
Someone had posted a spoof picture of that actually happening, just one flaw though...the viewing platforms were not open to the public when the attacks took place.
It wasn't, it was designed to withstand an impact of a smaller airliner* at a lower speed, as it was expected that it would be preparing for landing, and lost. The design remit was that it could withstand such an impact, but the designers admitted to being uncomfortable about it withstanding such an impact even then.
The 767 was not only bigger, but flying at a higher speed, and fully fuelled.
For those that doubt the planes brought them down:
There are pictures that show structural deformation prior to collapse, which means the heat from the fires was intensifying to such a degree that structural elements were been weakened bit by bit as the heat intensified.
Aluminium was found to be melting and dripping onto the sidewalk, just to give an idea of how hot it was. In addition, the impact removed much of the fire retardant in that area, and the designers hadn't actually accounted for this, as the impact calculations simply looked at the impact and not the fire. The retardant was to handle a fire from a more conventional source, not a plane impact.
* Although strictly speaking, the designers looked at what they designed and worked out what the impact would be for a 707 after they had actually designed the towers not before it was designed. There may have been some modifications made after this, but it is unclear as to what they were.
The documentary was spellbinding.
Such bravery on that day by so many.
Did I say anything contrary to this? No. So dont go saying that like I did. Neither of us is wrong. Lets have a civil conversation, ok? I'm no expert on structures, but I like to think i have a logical mind.
The planes, though disintegrated, were lodged in the towers - a lot of weight and a huge impact at 400+mph. Several floors collapsed and added weight (and shock impacts) to floors below. The whole building will have shook to its foundations. If the planes didnt breach the core, the subsequent steels that were impacted will have. One "animation" showed the titanium shafts of the engines carried on flying and went straight through the building. Not sure how true this is.
Having looked at youtube videos of the second impact, where it hit a corner, i'm still shocked by the sheer decelleration of the plane - the passengers were probably killed by g-forces, if not the explosion of jet fuel.
I wonder what was the intended lifespan of the buildings? They stood for nearly 40 years.
All the passengers would have died instantly with all their internal organs turning to mush on impact ... I doubt they would have known much about it.
Not a bad programme I thought ... Certainly brings a whole new dimension to airliner hijack nowadays ... As soon as the chap stands up and shows the bomb every able bodied person on board male or female would now kick the sh1te out of him
MW
Not a bad programme I thought ... Certainly brings a whole new dimension to airliner hijack nowadays ... As soon as the chap stands up and shows the bomb every able bodied person on board male or female would now kick the sh1te out of him
MW
As soon as the chap stands up and shows the bomb every able bodied person on board male or female would now kick the sh1te out of him
According to the transcripts of the black box, that's what happened on Flight 93. The hijackers barracaded themselves in the cockpit whilst the passengers tried to get in to retrieve control of the plane. There was an article in one of the newspapers at the time which described some of the passengers - there were some rugby players and several people who were playing American football at the inter-college level.
Basically, a lot of fit and healthy young men who, had they been able to get the door open would have had no trouble in retrieving the hijackers and keeping them subdued.
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