The crumbustion chamber?

[megawatt]

Why are all these sparkies so bothered anyway?

I'm not a sparky ... I just love fannying around with gas.

MW

 

[minion]

Gas Safety (Installation and use) Regulations 1998 as per the HSE.

And where, specifically, in those regulations does it make it illegal?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/made[/QUOTE]


PART B
GAS FITTINGS – GENERAL PROVISIONS

Qualification and supervision

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

(2) The employer of any person carrying out such work for that employer, every other employer and self-employed person who has control to any extent of such work and every employer and self-employed person who has required such work to be carried out at any place of work under his control shall ensure that paragraph (1) above is complied with in relation to such work.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of paragraphs (1) and (2) above and subject to paragraph (4) below, no employer shall allow any of his employees to carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or service pipework and no self-employed person shall carry out any such work, unless the employer or self-employed person, as the case may be, is a member of a class of persons approved for the time being by the Health and Safety Executive for the purposes of this paragraph.

(4) The requirements of paragraph (3) above shall not apply in respect of—

(a)the replacement of a hose or regulator on a portable or mobile space heater; or

(b)the replacement of a hose connecting a re-fillable cylinder to installation pipework.

(5) An approval given pursuant to paragraph (3) above (and any withdrawal of such approval) shall be in writing and notice of it shall be given to such persons and in such manner as the Health and Safety Executive considers appropriate.

(6) The employer of any person carrying out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel in the course of his employment shall ensure that such of the following provisions of these Regulations as impose duties upon that person and are for the time being in force are complied with by that person.

(7) No person shall falsely pretend to be a member of a class of persons required to be approved under paragraph (3) above.

(8) Notwithstanding sub-paragraph (b) of regulation 2(4), when a person is carrying out work in premises referred to in that sub-paragraph in relation to a gas fitting in a vehicle, vessel or caravan—

(a)paragraphs (1), (2) and (6) of this regulation shall be complied with as respects thereto; and

(b)he shall ensure, so far as is reasonably practicable, that the installation of the gas fittings and flues will not contravene the provisions of these Regulations when the gas fittings are connected to a gas supply,

except that this paragraph shall not apply where the person has reasonable grounds for believing that the vehicle, vessel or caravan will be first used for a purpose which when so used will exclude it from the application of these Regulations by virtue of sub-paragraphs (a), (c) or (e) of regulation 2(5).

You've no idea what you're quoting here have you?

Note some key words "no employer shall allow any of his employees" ... Starting to get this yet?

MW

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

 

[holty]

Why are all these sparkies so bothered anyway?

because most are jealous they cant figure out a simple s plan wiring diagram

p.s megawatt. i take it that's the amount it took a bolt of lightning that obviously fried your brain. if you had one

jo-90 i know a girl called jo. anyway im a gas fitter that does electrical work . hows that you ask. beacause im qualified to do so.

 

[megawatt]

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

Hmmmnnnn ... We all know that Minion

The question you've been asked is to define "competence"

Show us where it says that DIY'ers cannot be competent.

Many have tried before ... And failed.

Do you know why?

Because it hasn't been defined for anyone other than professional tradesmen.

Feel free to try though ... It'll keep you quiet for a while ... A LONG while

MW

 

[Paul_C]

Gas Safety (Installation and use) Regulations 1998 as per the HSE.

And where, specifically, in those regulations does it make it illegal?

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1998/2451/made[/QUOTE]


PART B
GAS FITTINGS – GENERAL PROVISIONS

Qualification and supervision

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so. {.....}

Well, you've quoted a lot of the statutory instrument which is totally irrelevant as far as the question at hand is concerned, since it relates to employment. But 3(1) illustrates the point that is being made in this thread - It merely requires a person carrying out the work to be competent. There is nothing in there which defines competence as meaning, for the purposes of the regulations, that said person must have passed any particular examination.

 

[Biggles..]

Hotly that would make 2 of us.

 

[cantaloup63]

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

But that's the whole crux of the argument - there is no fully defined legal meaning of the word "competent"

 

[megawatt]

jo-90 i know a girl called jo. anyway im a gas fitter that does electrical work . hows that you ask. beacause im qualified to do so.

That's good ... You're a rip-off bodger in two trades.

MW

 

[transam]

Why are all these sparkies so bothered anyway?

because most are jealous they cant figure out a simple s plan wiring diagram

p.s megawatt. i take it that's the amount it took a bolt of lightning that obviously fried your brain. if you had one

jo-90 i know a girl called jo. anyway im a gas fitter that does electrical work . hows that you ask. beacause im qualified to do so.

 

[megawatt]

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

But that's the whole crux of the argument - there is no fully defined legal meaning of the word "competent"

I think I may have already said that

It can't harm to keep telling Minion though in the vain hope that his two brain cells manage to communicate with each other and register the fact.

MW

 

[securespark]

How about adding a ''compost chamber'' for the private discussion amongst registered (and retired) gardeners?

How about a "crumpet chamber" for those of us who.....I'll get my coat.

 

[minion]

3.—(1) No person shall carry out any work in relation to a gas fitting or gas storage vessel unless he is competent to do so.

Hmmmnnnn ... We all know that Minion

The question you've been asked is to define "competence"

Show us where it says that DIY'ers cannot be competent.

Many have tried before ... And failed.

Do you know why?

Because it hasn't been defined for anyone other than professional tradesmen.

Feel free to try though ... It'll keep you quiet for a while ... A LONG while

MW

Surely you can not be that stupid? Really???

I am not saying ALL diy people can not be competent. My question is how on earth could a diyer prove his competance in court if he has caused a death or injury to someone?

 

[Paul_C]

My question is how on earth could a diyer prove his competance in court if he has caused a death or injury to someone?

Isn't this something of a circular argument? If he had caused a death or injury due to his poor workmanship or just getting something plain wrong, then surely he would not be competent? If he was competent, he wouldn't have made that mistake to have caused the death or injury in the first place, so he wouldn't be in court.

 

[megawatt]

My question is how on earth could a diyer prove his competance in court if he has caused a death or injury to someone?

Are you completely dead between the ears?

If someone has caused death or injury to someone else, gas fitter or DIY'er, they are clearly incompetent ... Caused is the giveaway

The fact that the gas fitter had passed ACS makes naff all difference here.

The only difference would be jail term ... Far greater for the Gas fitter than the DIY'er.

MW

 

[cantaloup63]

I am not saying ALL diy people can not be competent. My question is how on earth could a diyer prove his competance in court if he has caused a death or injury to someone?

I would have thought that it was up to the court to prove that he was incompetent Innocent until proven guilty Which means that a legal definition needs to be produced, which upon reflection there must be somewhere (surely??) other than a dictionary