The Great British Build-off

Older houses were rushed up in a day, too; especially inter-war houses. All sorts o' sins were buried under the floorboards on a Friday afternoon. Building techniques and materials have improved but builders are still the same...apart from noseall, obviously.:mrgreen:
What’s your point ?
 
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Not really, councils/HAs could never build in bulk anyway, but they could add to the social stock in a limited way.
Exactly, CPO empty houses and bring them up to date.

I see it happening locally and it’s making a bit of a difference to the local areas.
 
We have a bit of land near my area, it was cleared, boards up advertising the development and what looks like main sewage pipes etc delivered to site.

That was a few years back. Nothing more since then.
 
What’s your point ?
Well, a good deal of criticism is levelled at modern builds, in the way they're full of faults, small and comparably worse than older houses. I'm saying older houses were rushed just the same and full of faults, too. Were things really better in 'the good old days'?
 
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Well, a good deal of criticism is levelled at modern builds, in the way they're full of faults, small and comparably worse than older houses. I'm saying older houses were rushed just the same and full of faults, too. Were things really better in 'the good old days'?
It’s not really the issue though is it.

We need more more to build more houses. Without the money, everything else is irrelevant
 
We have a bit of land near my area, it was cleared, boards up advertising the development and what looks like main sewage pipes etc delivered to site.

That was a few years back. Nothing more since then.

Exactly. So how're Labour supposed to catch-up with the intended targets for building new homes, let alone keep pace with demand: relax planning restrictions? process applications quicker?? More skilled workers are required for a start, and without a recruitment drive to increase the number of workers the project is stalled at the start. America is finally realising it's important to recruit overseas workers to speed up their infrastructure programme, perhaps it's time the UK did the same.
 
Exactly. So how're Labour supposed to catch-up with the intended targets for building new homes, let alone keep pace with demand: relax planning restrictions? process applications quicker?? More skilled workers are required for a start, and without a recruitment drive to increase the number of workers the project is stalled at the start. America is finally realising it's important to recruit overseas workers to speed up their infrastructure programme, perhaps it's time the UK did the same.
The main difference is, the USA has the money, we don’t.

Besides that, crack on an import a load of workers.

We can put them on the dole until we do have the money…
 
The main difference is, the USA has the money, we don’t.

Besides that, crack on an import a load of workers.

We can put them on the dole until we do have the money…
The USofA has over a trillion dollars of debt, last i heard, and the UK credit rating is just as good, so why can't we borrow the readies to get cracking?
 
The USofA has over a trillion dollars of debt, last i heard, and the UK credit rating is just as good, so why can't we borrow the readies to get cracking?
We won’t though. And you know that.

It’s all talk….

If we do whoever manage to get the money, Subbing the work out to large developers is the only way to hit the target/s.

Looking through your rose tinted glasses at period Victorian houses “I love them” is all week and good, but in 2025 we need 1.5 million magnolia boxes, unfortunately.

And getting back to your point about the labour shortage. That would be the developers issue, not ours.
 
We won’t though. And you know that.

It’s all talk….

If we do whoever manage to get the money, Subbing the work out to large developers is the only way to hit the target/s.

Looking through your rose tinted glasses at period Victorian houses “I love them” is all week and good,

It all depends if you mean those fantastic detached town houses or the terraced piles, riddled with rot and ruin. I was referring to the inter-war houses - "homes for heroes" which were bunged up with little regard for high standards as the demand was urgent. The same applies to the proposals for rushing homes in the next few years. Building them quickly at the cost of quality is a short-term measure that'll need more work done to maintain them in future.

but in 2025 we need 1.5 million magnolia boxes, unfortunately.

And getting back to your point about the labour shortage. That would be the developers issue, not ours.
But the government could incentivise a scheme to make the building industry a more attractive career for school leavers, no?
 
Exactly. So how're Labour supposed to catch-up with the intended targets for building new homes, let alone keep pace with demand: relax planning restrictions? process applications quicker?? More skilled workers are required for a start, and without a recruitment drive to increase the number of workers the project is stalled at the start. America is finally realising it's important to recruit overseas workers to speed up their infrastructure programme, perhaps it's time the UK did the same.
It's an interesting one. OT to this thread but related to your comment. I sometimes have Bloomberg on in the background. The other day was a piece about a factory somewhere in the states, owned and run by a white American. He was essentially saying he doesn't care where his workers come from (I think he rattled off a few places e.g. Europe, Asia, Africa) as long as he skilled workers in sufficient numbers. He couldn't recruit enough people from local areas with the necessary skills.
 
The USofA has over a trillion dollars of debt
its a tad more than that: $36,218,605,311,689.91

Although America being the worlds currency reserve can create an awful lot of money without much consequence
 
It's an interesting one. OT to this thread but related to your comment. I sometimes have Bloomberg on in the background. The other day was a piece about a factory somewhere in the states, owned and run by a white American. He was essentially saying he doesn't care where his workers come from (I think he rattled off a few places e.g. Europe, Asia, Africa) as long as he skilled workers in sufficient numbers. He couldn't recruit enough people from local areas with the necessary skills.
cognitive dissonance runs deep in Amercian voters, all those Trump voting farmers suddenly thinking "oh sh1t, we need migrants to work on our farms"
 
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