The rubbish some people consider suitable

[SUNRAY]

Where is your sense of adventure

Oh don't worry I'm quite happy with cable of that vintage and happily admit some of mine are but I do a visual inspection every time they are used.

That particular cable I rejected before he put it down on the table.

So the big question is if the site where @SUNRAY was working was supplying a safe supply for @SUNRAY to use, not a clue what he was plugging in, did it need an earth, clearly using class II equipment is not a problem, if using class I equipment was the earth good enough for the equipment being used?

In my situation it was a class 1 sound system in a 'village' hall for a speaker. The corner where I was allocated had no power, the person opening up (not sure if the hall hirer or some official) offered the 16A to 4x13A as the solution. I had been for a survey and took kit with me, by chance I had a drum of 1.5mm² blue 3183 which he was happy to pay for cost of cable and let me make the repair... during the hour of speaking and saved me from being too bored.

So I am looking at it from the customers side, the guy was likely under pressure, and not an electrician, and possibly if like me had nothing or little to do we the pre event organisation. So was getting along as best as he could in a stressful situation and likely grateful that @SUNRAY took away some of the pressure of the day.

It was the usual 'used it for years without a problem' sort of conversation until I peeled of a section of outer followed by some of the green earth insulation. So yes I have given relief for the future but on the day it could have been a very different situation.

 

[JohnW2]

Reduced Low Voltage. The secondary of the transformer.

What transformer?

 

[JohnW2]

I am not entirely sure why RLV crept in on this one. ... It`s pretty much a UK thing and requires a transformer to cut it down to 110v centre tapped and the centre tap being 63.5V max if derived from a 3 phase supply.

Indeed, but I also wonder why 110V crept into this, either. As you go on to say ...

But I thought the conversation was about the usual single phase 240V AC supply with Line/Neutral/Earth (OK call it 230V if you want to)

I remain confused!

Kind Regards, John

 

[ericmark]

I had to buy on line to get a cable which complied to BS 7671:2008 local caravan outlets did not have a cable which complied.

I do see your point, as yet not talked to the guy who is both safety officer and the registered competent person. My qualifications are on file, however not sure if that is good or bad? How can I with Fdeng behind my name, turn a blind eye? OK the lowest of low degree, but I can't claim I did not know things did not comply.

But until some one ends up in hospital, and they are duty bound to inform the HSE, no one is likely to question what has been permitted. So far so good, but where does one draw the line? I am not permitted to take my battery powered strimmer to work as I have not been passed out for using one. I can't sharpen drill bits, again as not passed out to use grinder, there is a problem as I have what is generally called white finger, so using vibrating machines causes me a problem, but sharpening one drill is not a problem.

The health and safety rules seem some times daft, doing an on line manual handling exam seems daft, I know answer is bend my legs, but at my age would never get up again. So a tick the box exercise, we work in pairs so we can help each other up again. The H&S regulations were not designed for 72 year olds. And I am the youngest.

As to alzheimer's Sir Brian Rix said how this would be a problem with the rise of retirement age. Sadly passed 2016, he said how hard it would be to say a 67 year old was not fit to do his job, lucky at 92 he was still doing well, but his comments remain true, how do we tell some one they are no longer able to do their job?

And with organisations who rely on volunteer labour, this is a real problem.

 

[SUNRAY]

It also stipulates core colours, but try buying yellow artic lead with brown, grey and green/yellow cores. We know it should not be blue as there is no neutral, and we know yellow means 110 volt, so why is cable with brown and blue cores offered for sale?

First of all Yellow cable is not restricted to 110V, it's just a colour, like: Black, red, orange, green, blue, grey, white, gold.

Second Brown, Grey, green/yellow has been available and what I used to use. Sad to say that when I placed a fairly big order (for me) with Batt cables and asked for yellow with that combination, they also provided the blue with the same colours and I made up a batch of blue leads/blue connectors with it. I haven't tried to source any in the last 10 years or more.

 

[ebee]

72? Oh I suppose at 68 I suppose I am a spring chicken, whoops perhaps not, Osteo knees and shoulders, recent broke shoulder and obese, those are just my good points LOL

 

[SUNRAY]

But until some one ends up in hospital, and they are duty bound to inform the HSE, no one is likely to question what has been permitted. So far so good, but where does one draw the line? I am not permitted to take my battery powered strimmer to work as I have not been passed out for using one. I can't sharpen drill bits, again as not passed out to use grinder, there is a problem as I have what is generally called white finger, so using vibrating machines causes me a problem, but sharpening one drill is not a problem.

The health and safety rules seem some times daft, doing an on line manual handling exam seems daft, I know answer is bend my legs, but at my age would never get up again. So a tick the box exercise, we work in pairs so we can help each other up again. The H&S regulations were not designed for 72 year olds. And I am the youngest.

I share your grief with H&S. I'm certainly not anti, I'm all for preventing problems but so often an official will make a categoric statement which doesn't apply to all situations, an example being while spending all day wiring floor boxes on a site the toe caps in our boots were hurting our bent up toes while kneeling and it took a call to HSE and visit from them to rectify the hazardous situation the site rule created.

Equally I've had training/certification for chop saws, grinders and grinding disk changing at various times but not always been valid at the same time. So I've been in the silly situation of cutting unistrutt with a hand grinder but not permitted to use the chop saw and not being permitted to use either but being to only person available to change a disk for the others.

72? Oh I suppose at 68 I suppose I am a spring chicken, whoops perhaps not, Osteo knees and shoulders, recent broke shoulder and obese, those are just my good points LOL

68 here too, few more points to add at this list but one has to continue...
Trouble is having been a SE subby for 18 years the buggers keep phoning for help, the classics being broken switches, sockets etc and of course replacement 2 way switches that have 'suddenly stopped working' in domestic properties local to me.

EDIT: But I also get the 'others have been there and can't find the fault' calls too, such as: https://www.diynot.com/diy/threads/a-real-moan-tonight.552183/

Oh and coming Thursday appointment for steroid injection in shoulder

 

[hllns]

PAT testing machine says yes!

Too much to ask that they install a few more convenient fixed sockets for events use? Fix some of the problems at source.

 

[hllns]

A friend of mine who is a semi-pro stage tech did tell me of the tour of Godspell they were taking round a lot of small scout/villages hall venues, in the venues with a kitchen it wasn't unknown to commandeer the cooker supply for the dimmer packs.

 

[SUNRAY]

PAT testing machine says yes!

Too much to ask that the install a few more convenient fixed sockets for events use? Fix some of the problems at source.

That area is all glass and TBH it would be a struggle and unsightly

 

[SUNRAY]

A friend of mine who is a semi-pro stage tech did tell me of the tour of Godspell they were taking round a lot of small scout/villages hall venues, in the venues with a kitchen it wasn't unknown to commandeer the cooker supply for the dimmer packs.

Tis such a popular power point for bigger stuff.