The tragedy of antivaxxer obsessives

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ellal said:
I believe jab junkies have got a bit confused...

Too many 'fixes' perhaps?

But to help out their fuzzy minds, 'That's what always happens' refers to viruses becoming milder over time...

One would have thought that even jab junkies would understand that?

Clearly not!
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Clearly that doesn't always happen. Smallpox and Polio are examples of viruses that have NOT become milder over time. Perhaps it is not the jab junkies that have got confused?
 
ellal said:
Tried and fully tested jabs/medicines then quite right...

Experimental ones, then no thanks...

How many 'virus' jabs are there out there?

And do you have a choice as to which one you have?

Have any long term studies taken place as to what the side affects may be?

Because the vaccines you appear to be referring to were subject to longer term trials, and thus more information was available...

If you're happy to take a chance on something that has been whipped up in a few moths then that's your choice...

Personally I need a bit more proof before playing the jab roulette!
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Nonsense! How long do you want theses jabs to be tested for? On how many people?

The Covid jabs have been available for almost two years now and at the current time 12,782,955,639 doses have been administered. Hardly experimental, more mainstream.

If you were given a choice of vaccine, how would you decide which one to have?

The yellow card system for monitoring side effects has also been running for nearly two years now.

If you don't want to be jabbed then you will always be able to find a reason to avoid it. If you are happy to take your chances with the virus then that's your choice.
 
ellal said:
And that's where the immune system comes in...

As it always has done and how it is meant to work...

Jab junkies just don't get that
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it is noticed ellal wont answer this:

"With the help of vaccines, the immune system is primed before you get ill

And can save you from severe illness or death" (JohnD)

Ellal just avoids answering awkward questions
 
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ellal said:
Tried and fully tested jabs/medicines then quite right...

Experimental ones, then no thanks...
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but you refuse to say how many years or how many jabs will you be satisified that it is safe
 
Notch7 said:
but you refuse to say how many years or how many jabs will you be satisified that it is safe
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no such thing as fully safe for any vaccine. I'm not sure why he thinks some are safe and some are not. Either refuse them all, or take the ones that help, which covers the co vid 1
 
ellal said:
Have any long term studies taken place as to what the side affects may be?
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There never has been actually. A fact that antivax people seem to have problems getting their head around. The usual problem with finding a vaccine is the time taken to find one. That speeded up by rather a large amount in covid's case. The design technique used isn't that new actually, just been used on humans for other reasons.

So what do countries do with a new vaccine. They test as the covid one was and then use on more people if ok. An example that has occured is when a vaccine that has been used is changed. Take one the USA did. The larger number was an entire state. They watched what went on in that state for a short time and then applied it to all. They are looking for effectiveness not long term effects on people.

Covid jabs have a new problem. Some vaccines have turned out to be more effective than others. Only way to find out is to use all of the ones that are available. They will all have been through the same testing and side effects etc noticed. That can only be done by comparing with normal rates of what these side effects are without vaccination. Not an easy thing to do but if any doubt stop using it just as they did on one age group. Virus variants also change the effectiveness of the different vaccines.

The other aspect is all vaccines can have very similar side effects. A small proportion of people can have problems. Vaccinate many millions over a short period of time and the number of those will be significantly higher. The judgment on this area are made purely on the effects of the disease what ever it is with and without vaccination. They need numbers of sufferers to do that, That is why it's taken longer to decide on younger and younger people. Some of all ages have finished up in hospital or have died. The numbers just reduce as age goes down,
 
There it is again antivaxxers.
Long term,I'd give it at least 10 years you give it 2.
 
gant said:
Long term,I'd give it at least 10 years you give it 2.
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Quite a lot of people will die from the disease while you wait to make your mind up.

Good luck.

When your house is on fire I'll wait for ten year reports on the best sort of hose to use.
 
trazor said:
Why are we trying to convince anti-jabbers, to get vaccinated.

Let Darwin's theory take its course, remove the dumb from the Gene pool.
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I think your on the road now you've used anti jabbers.
As re the Darwin theory if there's a sting in the tail of the jab it'll get rid of a lot of bedwetters.
 
JohnD said:
Quite a lot of people will die from the disease while you wait to make your mind up.

Good luck.

When your house is on fire I'll wait for ten year reports on the best sort of hose to use.
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Silly.
 
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