The Tyranny of Democracy

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MynameisBod said:
You have a device that can give you all the information about every subject on every continent around the world.. look it up you lazy piece of fish
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Well, as I said, I've used that device and I can't find any more info than I've posted previously.
Seems like you can't either.
I reckon you've made it up.
 
Pat ex said:
That sounds nothing like an echo.
It would sound like OK.
It's all to do with the positioning, and the hardness of the consonant at the end.
With ooob, ooob, the sound of the 'b' at the end would be lost, and it would sound like an echo of booo.
But with ohce, the sound of the 'c' would not be lost because it's followed by a soft vowel.

Are you keeping up?
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No
 
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MynameisBod said:
Liverpool coming to Stamford Bridge today would have went off. The London hooligans would have joined forces on Liverpool.

Right decision
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It was. Same goes for the United-Leeds fixture: trouble always kicks off when Leeds are in town. The police couldn't spare the extra men to keep control of the Yorkshire mob when they visit a civilised ground.
But every game this weekend saw an impeccable minutes silence at the start of each game and applause on the 70th minute - it goes to show the PL were wrong to cancel the fixtures last weekend just in case a few idiots wanted to spoil it for the majority of people.
There's always one.
 
JobAndKnock said:
Churchill's Home Secretary during WWII

Try Labour, not communist. There is a difference
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The Labour Party, then as now, is a bunch of revolutionary communists / socialists / marxists.

The difference between then and now is that all the other main parties (Con lib green snp) are now also on the left.

Yes I know that there are technical differences between communists and socialists but essentially they are the same.
 
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andy11 said:
The Labour Party, then as now, is a bunch of revolutionary communists / socialists / marxists.
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Well in that case so am I! (allegedly)

There is a major difference between socialists, communists and marxists, but I wouldn't expect someone who regards Ghenghis Khan as a moderate to understand that.

andy11 said:
The difference between then and now is that all the other main parties (Con lib green snp) are now also on the left.
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Left of what? The Thames, the Seine? In terms of politics Labour is a lot nearer the political centre than it was 40 years ago, whilst some of the insane things the Tories have come up with (especially that muppet Rees-Mogg) would at times have made Hitler and Mussolini proud

andy11 said:
Yes I know that there are technical differences between communists and socialists but essentially they are the same.
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Well if you know there are "technical differences" why did you write the first line? Socialism in Europe today, in real terms, has moved more towards the social-democratic model with much less emphasis on state ownership or control. But even so-called centrist and right wing governments in Europe have retained many "socialist" elements in their economies such as state owned or controlled railways, public housing, electricity and gas distribution infrastructure (and in many cases generation), roads, health services, etc whilst also reducing the disparity between the highest and lowest paid in their respective countries through taxation - all socialist concepts, and not surprisingly all concepts which improve quality of life for the vast majority of the populace.

Were it not for the what you call socialistst and the trades union movement we would not have had paid holidays, sick pay, a National Health Service, employment rights, health and safety at work legislation and pensions to name just a few things - all things the Tories are trying to dismantle right now
 
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OddsBodkin said:
It was. Same goes for the United-Leeds fixture: trouble always kicks off when Leeds are in town. The police couldn't spare the extra men to keep control of the Yorkshire mob when they visit a civilised ground.
But every game this weekend saw an impeccable minutes silence at the start of each game and applause on the 70th minute - it goes to show the PL were wrong to cancel the fixtures last weekend just in case a few idiots wanted to spoil it for the majority of people.
There's always one.
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There are a few idiots there always has been. The majority are good decent respectful people.

Brighton Vs Palace called off as they are big rivals.
 
JobAndKnock said:
"socialist" elements in their economies such as state owned or controlled railways, public housing, electricity and gas distribution infrastructure (and in many cases generation), roads, health services, etc whilst also reducing the disparity between the highest and lowest paid in their respective countries through taxation - all socialist concepts
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State ownership of things isn't necessarily socialist; the state owned infrastructure long before socialism was ever heard of. If I were to become King or PM I would end all foreign ownership of our natural resources and ensure those resources were only used for the benefit of our country, but that wouldn't mean I was a socialist.

JobAndKnock said:
Were it not for the what you call socialistst and the trades union movement you would not have had paid holidays, sick pay,...., employment rights, health and safety at work legislation and pensions
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True, unions did much good but they don't do now! In my working experience I have found that only the workshy and trouble causing workers ask for union help.
 
andy11 said:
If I were to become King or PM I would end all foreign ownership of our natural resources and ensure those resources were only used for the benefit of our country, but that wouldn't mean I was a socialist.
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As a policy that would massively reduce inward investment and shrink the economy even further, whilst almost certainly resulting in trade barriers being erected against us. Just like North Korea. Good one!

I get the feeling your reign would be very short indeed

andy11 said:
True, unions did much good but they don't do now! In my working experience I have found that only the workshy and trouble causing workers ask for union help.
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Au contraire. Unions still fight for the rights of their members, often against right wing employers. Your experience is probably very limited, or limited to polishing a chair with your arris, or being self-employed. It certainly isn't on the receiving end of a low to middle pay band industrial job
 
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JobAndKnock said:
but I wouldn't expect someone who regards Ghenghis Khan as a moderate to understand that.
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:giggle:
Now Kublai Khan, he was less extreme.

JobAndKnock said:
Left of what? The Thames, the Seine? In terms of politics Lab aour is a lot nearer the centre than it was 40 years ago, whilst some of the insane things the Toris come up with (especially that muppetr Rees-Mogg) would at times make Hitler and Mussolini proud
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The politics in a two party system tend to be attached to each other with an invisible tether.
As one party becomes more extreme, it opens up the centre ground to move into.
When the extreme party wants to move back towards the centre, the party that had been occupying the centre can only move away from the centre in order to maintain a distance and a policy difference.
Of course that tether is not a fixed length, and stretches and contracts over time and with policies.
 
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