Theresa's mercenaries getting itchy feet

[noseall]

Where does the CBI receive its remaining 95% funding?

Why are you asking me? Not got a clue. Nor do I know where the other 5% comes from.

I'm still waiting for anyone to show where the facts published by the CBI are wrong, inaccurate or otherwise.

Anyone?

 

[noseall]

If you can be bothered Notch, it is all explained here where their funding comes from.

 

[motorbiking]

I agree with some of your points but not all.
This is of our own making. No entry and exit checks makes it hard to enforce policies based on residency.

They aren't slipping through the net - they are entitled to claim it because we cannot discriminate against EU citizens
https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-move-to-uk

Not exclusive to the EU. We have lobbiest in the UK and what about party funding?

Its on a much, smaller scale and MPs are nervous about being found out. When its smaller everyone is more exposed.

Subsidise the poor? You mean via taxes or something else?

I mean Net contributions - money paid to the EU budget, minus rebate, minus funding to UK projects - most of this is based on the size of your economy. i.e. Poland, Greece, Spain, etc.. bank rolled by Germany, France, UK

What was the bailout if that wasn't the average guy paying for the mistakes in
the financial sector?

How much has the tax payer actually lost in the last 10 years vs how much tax did those banks generate? The deficit is getting pretty small now.
The UK govt, bailed the banks out to stop the man in the street loosing his savings, pension, house etc. (I know that is just one angle)

I'm not convinced the UK man in the street benefits from funding greek pensions and early retirement?

 

[Notch7]

If you can be bothered Notch, it is all explained here where their funding comes from.

Says nothing about funding

 

[Notch7]

Why are you asking me? Not got a clue. Nor do I know where the other 5% comes from.

I'm still waiting for anyone to show where the facts published by the CBI are wrong, inaccurate or otherwise.

Anyone?

Then you dont know if the information published by the CBI is correct or not.

The CBI has been seen as biased towards the EU for many years, so they would want to show non bias.

Just because they arent funded by public bodies to any great extent does not prove a lack of bias.

 

[JohnD]

seen as biased towards the EU

What you mean is, "seen as not agreeing with the Quitters." To you, that must mean "biased"

As usual, you show nothing to demonstrate that what they say is wrong.

No doubt you are just making up false smears again.

 

[SirGalahad]

Says nothing about funding

Why don't you avail yourself of their accounts. It's all in there.

Then you dont know if the information published by the CBI is correct or not.

The CBI has been seen as biased towards the EU for many years, so they would want to show non bias.

Just because they arent funded by public bodies to any great extent does not prove a lack of bias.

Why don't you avail yourself of their accounts - they are publicly available. So not only are you saying the CBI is being decelptive, you are also implying their accountants Buzzacot are either implicated or negligent in dispensing their duty as independent auditors.

Wow. Just Wow.

 

[SirGalahad]

They aren't slipping through the net - they are entitled to claim it because we cannot discriminate against EU citizens
https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-move-to-uk

Not sure that is correct.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...t_data/file/630218/CH5_Notes_0317_001_005.pdf

Presence, ordinary residence and right to reside You must be present, ordinarily resident and have the right to reside in the UK to get Child Benefit. Meaning of presence Normally, you have to be physically present in the UK every day during the period of a Child Benefit award. There are rules that allow your right to Child Benefit to continue during short temporary absences. For more information read ‘Going abroad temporarily’ on page 11. Meaning of ordinary residence You’re ordinarily resident if you: • normally live in the UK, apart from occasional temporary absences – for more information read page 11 • have chosen to live and settle in the UK for the time being

If the child remains and is under the care of someone else then that person may claim child benefit.

If you’re going abroad permanently but your child is staying in the UK and living with someone else, the person they are living with should contact us to claim Child Benefit

Its on a much, smaller scale and MPs are nervous about being found out. When its smaller everyone is more exposed.

You have any evidence to back this up? I would be genuinely interested in this.

I mean Net contributions - money paid to the EU budget, minus rebate, minus funding to UK projects - most of this is based on the size of your economy. i.e. Poland, Greece, Spain, etc.. bank rolled by Germany, France, UK

Yep. The UK is a net contributor and in return their are benefits which don't need to be hashed out here again.

How much has the tax payer actually lost in the last 10 years vs how much tax did those banks generate? The deficit is getting pretty small now.
The UK govt, bailed the banks out to stop the man in the street loosing his savings, pension, house etc. (I know that is just one angle)

https://www.nao.org.uk/report/maint...ty-of-uk-banks-update-on-the-support-schemes/

The scale of the support currently provided to UK banks has fallen from a peak of £955 billion to £512 billion, but the amount of cash currently borrowed by the Government to support banks has risen by £7 billion since December 2009. It is likely the taxpayer will be providing support for years to come.

As to the banks bailed out and their profits - I am sure if one was inclined you could work it out but then you would also have to factor in QE and other measures taken.

To conclude - what is your position on the EU? I take it you voted to leave but then you have mentioned to remain part of the CU? So what would your realistic EU exit look like and be achieved by?

 

[Notch7]

So not only are you saying the CBI is being decelptive, you are also implying their accountants Buzzacot are either implicated or negligent in dispensing their duty as independent auditors.

I said nothing of the sort.

blatant strawman argument

 

[SirGalahad]

I said nothing of the sort.

blatant strawman argument

You are questioning where the CBI get their funding and then you are challenging the accuracy of their reporting without providing a shred of evidence to support you wild claims.

No straw man argument. So go on refute the CBI data regarding their funding? Like your other wild claims not once you have backed them up.

 

[motorbiking]

@Kankerot - the policy is referring to you the parent, its your entitlement, because you have a child. Not a benefit paid based on the residency of the child.
https://fullfact.org/europe/explaining-eu-deal-exporting-child-benefit/
The cameron deal allowed the UK to adjust for the cost of living based on where the child lives. But that was it.

On the size of lobbying. I don't think we will get very far finding a study on the subject. But we could probably agree that attitudes to corruption and bribery differ hugely in different countries and cultures. Tax evasion in Greece for example is considered systemic. The representation system in the EU is also different that change is hard to make. But its a significant enough concern that they have a database of interests.. and its huge http://ec.europa.eu/transparencyregister/public/homePage.do

 

[SirGalahad]

@motorbiking

After reading up I now understand Child Benefit. Essentially where an EU citizen works and pays taxes that is where they can claim child benefit irrespective of where the children reside.

You mentioned lobbying - my point of view is clear - it should be outlawed as it undermines democratic institutions.

 

[EFLImpudence]

This is of our own making. No entry and exit checks makes it hard to enforce policies based on residency.

How is that so if they have not registered?

If they have not registered, they won't get anything, will they?

 

[motorbiking]

he’s already accepted he misunderstood how it works.

 

[Notch7]

You mentioned lobbying - my point of view is clear - it should be outlawed as it undermines democratic institutions.

Which institution receives huge sums of money from lobbying Influencers: the EU.