Theresa's mercenaries getting itchy feet

[noseall]

What I don't get is why quitters are not jumping up and down, screaming at the brexit bunch to get on with it and leave the EU. It's what you all voted for. You all knew the rules so why all this fannying about?

Surely this is what you thought about before voting?

 

[vinty]

Any country that has agreed deals with the EU either have aligned/agreed with some of their rules and got a deal to reflect those alignments.

We can do the same but are currently refusing.

Read more.

Your link to the CBI is hardly impartial ,don't they get money from the EU.

 

[motorbiking]

I think TM was clear that she expects there to be a lot of continued alignment with the EU. So not sure how that is us refusing to align?

Trump's trade war could not have been timed better for the UK

 

[noseall]

Your link to the CBI is hardly impartial ,don't they get money from the EU.

Which parts of that factual link don't you like? Which bits do you think are untrue?
Post a paper that is anti-EU if you like and we can compare.

Your link to the CBI is hardly impartial ,don't they get money from the EU.

No idea? Do you mean they are directly sponsored by the EU or are beneficiaries of EU cash by trickle down. If it's the ambiguous latter then that can apply to just about everyone in the UK. I personally have no idea. It was the first option in my search.

 

[vinty]

They get money from the EU to carry out economic analysis whatever that is, interestly it is claimed that most of their membership fees come from the public sector and not the business sector,a lot of these public sector bodies are either funded directly or indirectly by the EU.

 

[motorbiking]

google the author.. That paper is intended to be a lobbying pitch to keep Britain in or as much in as possible.. See other work in 2013
http://www.cbi.org.uk/business-issu...gainst-the-uks-european-union-membership-pdf/

One fact is clear, EU law specialists in the UK have had their business dry up almost over night. A lot of practices have lost a 1/3rd of their income easily. I know plenty of lawyers retraining having lost jobs due to the irrelevance of their specialism post brexit.

 

[noseall]

Feel free to post your own paper disproving any of those facts.

 

[SirGalahad]

They get money from the EU to carry out economic analysis whatever that is, interestly it is claimed that most of their membership fees come from the public sector and not the business sector,a lot of these public sector bodies are either funded directly or indirectly by the EU.

On their website it says public body membership is 5% of their funding. So who is claiming it's more?

http://www.cbi.org.uk/business-issues/brexit-and-eu-negotiations/faqs-eu/

Yes. And while public sector members are a tiny proportion of our overall membership and represent less than five per cent of our income,

As to EU funding

This amounts to around £148,000 per year, representing around 0.6% of our annual income.

So let facts speak.

 

[JohnD]

vinty is.

perhaps he made it up.

has he shown any evidence?

 

[motorbiking]

Feel free to post your own paper disproving any of those facts.

Everyone can assess the pro's and con's of the status quo. Nobody can do it justice to the same degree based on the could's and should's.

 

[noseall]

Everyone can assess the pro's and con's of the status quo. Nobody can do it justice to the same degree based on the could's and should's.

Correct. Could you let the troll Notch in on this please. All I did was post up a factual paper. Notch seems to think that the UK can pick and choose how the UK tailors its approach to access to the EU benefits without having to obey their rules.

Ha can't show it though.

 

[Nozzle]

Everyone can assess the pro's and con's of the status quo. Nobody can do it justice to the same degree based on the could's and should's.

Though a vote to stay in the EU back in referendum was not a vote for the comfortable, familiar, status quo.

Nozzle

 

[SirGalahad]

Though a vote to stay in the EU back in referendum was not a vote for the comfortable, familiar, status quo.

Nozzle

The question was.
Should the UK remain a member of the EU or leave the EU?

 

[noseall]

Though a vote to stay in the EU back in referendum was not a vote for the comfortable, familiar, status quo.

What was it then?

 

[motorbiking]

A better deal than we currently have:
- brake on migration
- protection from a Euro-zone focused EU
- not having to pay child/benefits to dependents of Migrants not living in UK
etc.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35622105

and we still voted NO

That is without the argument of "where it is all heading"..

In my own mind, I considered where the EU would end up in 10-20 years. For me I could see:
- increasingly becoming a united states of EU
- euro focus, with those not in the euro, being seen as having more time to adopt it,, rather than not having it eventually.
- A very expensive and inefficient governing body, that you could not vote out when you got bored with them.
- a governing body massively influenced by lobbies looking to influence this and that (e.g. paying for a new fleet of tug-boats for malta) etc. http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...ing-charges-by-the-european-union-2011-6?IR=T
- a very large (and growing) group of countries where the rich subsidise the poor and the problems of the poor migrate to the rich.

Correct. Could you let the troll Notch in on this please. All I did was post up a factual paper. Notch seems to think that the UK can pick and choose how the UK tailors its approach to access to the EU benefits without having to obey their rules.

Ha can't show it though.

Can you show it can't? surely only time will tell?