sorry mate but you cant forget history and would be foolish not to learn from it, yes we are part of Nato But Trident is ours and though it supports our alliance with Western Europe it is ours to use as we see fit, When the French navy were asked to bring their fleet to a safe British harbour during the last war to prevent it falling into German hands they took two steps back!! so much for help from that side of the channel, Ok they hate us because we sunk it, so what they wasn't using it!! and someone mentioned help from the yanks during the Falklands conflict, surely you didn't miss the fact that they supplied our navy logistic information throughout the complain,
Time to scrap Trident.
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The point is that our real enemy lives and breeds amongst us. What we need is a beefed up police force, not some useless deterrent that can never be used. If the US gets into a nuclear war - then as part of NATO we are also at war. That means annihilation for the UK. How many nations are there in Europe? How many have nuclear weapons? Well how do the non-nuclear countries survive? How many have been nuked? None. Not one.
If the US gets into a nuclear war, as part of NATO, we are also at war...
...and so are all the other members of NATO, nuclear or not.
Beefing up our police force, though, I'd go along with although, to be honest, our lenient judges and the Criminal Protection Service between them would let them off with a slapped wrist anyway however hard the police worked.
again your missing the point, not being Great Britain anymore Trident is our big stick!! regarding increasing the police force, what goods that for dealing with terrorists, yes they do a good job when they have the intelligence services to guide them, but look at Northern Ireland we had most of the British army on the job but the IRA were still operating, due to a lack of intelligence from the local community, that intelligence is also missing in our present conflict with extremists as they live among people who like the Roman Catholics in Ireland support their own kind. they do this not because of any hatred for our way of life, but for our interference in parts of the world that should not concern us, and for supporting those in power who repress them, Israel is a major player in this conflict, along with others. my last input to this topic would be. Keep Trident as our deterrent, Restart the Black Arrow project that put our own satalite
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sorry for the cut off!! satellite up in 1971 so we are not dependant on second hand intelligence from either Europe or the USA, and also support dialog with those who are involved in the race conflict we are currently facing, for as it did in Northern Ireland it will bring the moderate side of the communities to the table, for this is the only way we can resolve a problem of this scale. Roy
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We are a part of Europe now and always will be. Forget about the UKIP blip, they are irrelevant now. Defence of Europe should be shared by Europe, not the UK footing the bill. There will never be a time that Trident is used other than by accident, and the risk of accident is quite high. A nuclear bomb the size of the Hiroshima bomb could easily be fitted into a container lorry. In fact you could fit three inside a container. Sooner or later, the terrorists will detonate a real bomb or a dirty bomb and Trident will just sit there looking useless. There are no moderate Muslims. If there were they'd be out on the streets with placards saying "Not in my name". They don't do that. They keep to themselves and keep their kids away from Western influence. It isn't going to end well, that much is for sure.
You make some good points. Re. Black Arrow, I am aware that in the 1950s, despite our having 'lost' the war, we were still world leaders in many fields, including aeronautics. Then our wonderful government gave everything away, apparently in an attempt to placate the Americans. Remember TSR2? Yet another cancelled world-leader.
And see where it has got us.
Don't be so pessimistic, Joe. I am confident that, one way or another, the failed EU experiment will collapse before long. Bear in mind that UKIP and its many supporters are not alone in wanting out; other EU countries have similar movements and they are growing in popularity. And don't forget, most of Europe regained its independence in 1945.
I agree with you about the muslim danger. Fortunately, it is not as easy to pop Hiroshima bombs into container lorries as it is for illegal immigrants to gain access to them. Where would you get a nuclear bomb? The necessary components are very well guarded and supervised, and then there is the even more necessary scientific knowledge of how to do it.
If it were that easy, I promise you I would have already done it and sent my lorry over to Syria.
King henry, Rome, those are ancient history.
You can't call 1989 ancient history, when some of the people running in government, or entering government are still in government now.
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My reading of history is our government tried telling the aeronautics companies to make luxury aircraft, as they could not envision the 'airbus' age of low-cost airlines = Aeronautics companies went kaput as the world moved on from the idea that flying was only for the rich.
Nothing to do with 'giving them away', whatever that even means.....
That's a contradiction in terms. The idea of a deterrent is that it should never be used, but is the ultimate threat.
Without nuclear weapons, the world would probably be an even more chaotic place. There is trouble all over the world of course, but nothing on the scale of WW2 or WW1 for the last 70 years, probably due to the deterrent effect of nukes.
I don't believe this is true. It's a vast generalisation and yes there may be a culture of turning the other cheek but you can look to all faiths for this, look at Catholicism and Christianity where pedophilia is often covered up, look at Judaism and the human rights abuses in Gaza and to the Palestinians generally. Not all Christians or Catholics are pedophiles, not all Jews are Zionists. I wish you wouldn't discriminate to this extent because it really isn't helpful.
Also just one question, can you name a terrorist incident that has been carried out by Islamic fundamentalists on the UK mainland other than 7/7 ?
So why did they cancel the TSR2?
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If you use google you'll find any number of accidental events that may well have triggered WW3. If you hold a Mexican Standoff long enough, then someone will blink. Trident makes us a target. South Africa once had nuclear arms but got rid of them. Have they been nuked after getting rid of them? Not that I know of. Only two counties in Europe have nuclear arms, have the others been nuked yet? Not that I've heard. It's pretty well documented that much radioactive material disappeared at the end of the Soviet era, so where is it today? Money will buy you anything. A lot of money will buy you dirty bomb material. It could be deposited all over London as a dust, in shopping centres and the underground. London would grind to a halt for months or even years. Weapons of terror don't have to be particularly sophisticated. The masses panic about Ebola while carrying on smoking. So what use is trident then? Spain and Italy are still there, as is Sweden and Denmark. We are a big target. Dump it. We don't need it.
As far as I am aware, 'Great' Britain is still the same size as it was before Trident.[/b]
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