Tony Blair.

[joe-90]

[QUOTE="jeds, post: 3415598, member: 8551"

It does sound odd. But my point was that you made it sound like it was something I had said - which it wasn't. Most people know that bodies will burn, albeit very slowly. So-called spontaneous combustion is really just a body catching fire and slow burning over a long period. In that situation almost everything disintegrates - including the bones. The only thing that usually remains are the feet because they contain less fat. But as far as I know that type of combustion requires some form a wick - usually the clothing - to work. But it does show that joe's idea that bodies don't burn because they are mostly water is nonsense.[/QUOTE]

Nope. Sorry. Bodies DON'T burn. A proportion of the constituent parts of a body will burn - but that isn't a body. A body is a dead person intact.
Spontaneous human combustion only happens when someone dies in front of the fire and the water is evaporated over several days. What is left is combustible - but that isn't a body as we know it. Are you saying that all Jewish bodies were dried out for several days? Don't be so bloody silly, man.

 

[joe-90]

These are the inmates who don't have typhus. Children and adults. All healthy.

 

[joe-90]

This famous inmate died of typhus. She wasn't killed by the Nazis as most people seem to think. She survived Auschwitz too, though legend has it that all children were sent straight to the gas chamber on disembarking. Obviously, the truth is that they were not.

 

[jeds]

...it matters not what one person was coerced into saying.[/QUOTE]

Nobody was coerced Joe. The bloke was just recording business and writing memos to staff. All very professional and business like. He had no reason to lie about anything or make anything up. Why on Earth would he? At the time they thought they were going to win the war so had no notion whatsoever that they were going to have to answer for their actions afterwards. No, this was just recording business like they always did and is the 100% undisputable truth.

 

[joe-90]

Then maybe he was deluded. Maybe he was just touting for business? Why would anyone order single body crematoria instead of a blast furnace? Why use a furnace at all? Why not find an old quarry and use that? There's even a picture that shows cremation urns.

Anyway, it's all irrelevant unless you can prove that it was logistically possible. So prove it.

 

[joe-90]

This is the reason they used single body crematoria. So they could put the ashes in urns to give them to the relatives. Death camp? What death camp? Whoever heard of a death camp gassing millions and putting their ashes in an urn for the relatives?

 

[ladylola]

This how we KNOW that movement of 11,000,000 people never took place. They would have been blown up.

You do make a point about the logistics of mass transport of people , and indeed Himmler's offer to swap concentration camp inmates for trucks does seem to back you up ( he didn't get the trucks but several tens of thousands of inmates did go to Sweden ) but doesn't the same argument work against your assertion that huge numbers were transported to Israel ? If it's impossible to move those people across a single country then how to move them across to another continent ?
Oh and I understand I may be being picky but that video shows American planes attacking trains in Western Europe and in late '44 , 45 . It really should be Russian Jabos hitting transports in Poland and earlier in the war.
When you refer to 11 million I assume you mean all the victims or alleged victims ? That figure would include those killed by the einsatzgruppens in 41/42 many of whom never went near a train but were marched out of the towns to their deaths.

 

[joe-90]

The Jews made their way to Israel over a number of years after the war. There was no mass exodus. The Jews were supposedly gassed long after 41/42. They claim that Treblinka was a death camp where 900,000 were gassed, but the trouble with that theory is that the Nazis forgot to build any crematoria for body disposal. So where did all those bodies go?

 

[ladylola]

There is always another option not mention yet as far as I can see. If no one can provide evidence of Jews moving or being sent to camps for extermination and no one seems to be able to provide evidence of the emigration of 5-6 million Jews to Palestine between 1939-45 then maybe you should be questioning whether these people are real or fictional?
Solves the problems of a lack of bodies , lack of transport , housing , food and eyewitnesses although it does cast doubt on some of the population statistics linked to.
You're correct that gassing took place after 41/42 , prior to that shooting was far more common place and there is evidence for that but the process was thought to be inhumane at least for those doing the shootings.

 

[joe-90]

Evidence? Do you mean the fake photos? Where are the mass graves? Why does no-one ever go looking for them? The fact is, that they would be CLEARLY seen from the air today. Just like that Zionist archaeologist Dr. Caroline Sturdy Colls proved when she made a fool of herself over Treblinka. She proved the existence of a Christian cemetery and inadvertently proved that there was NO mass grave at Treblinka by doing an aerial laser scan. Silly girl.
Then again she doesn't know the difference between a star of David and a Polish trade mark. Worra Plonka.

 

[ladylola]

So no mass graves and faked photos proves as you say there wasn't any mass killings. Now can you provide verifiable evidence for the mass migration? If it were all done legitimately and quite peacefully as you are seemingly claiming then you should be able to provide passenger manifests , ship details , eye witness accounts etc. leaving out gypsys , Slavs etc figures "quoted" by historians are somewhere between 5 and 6 million Jewish people so that would average out a around a million a year leaving Europe and entering Palestine/ Israel . Surely "magicing" up the figures would be a lot easier than either exterminating or moving and rehousing that many people.

 

[joe-90]

It must have been magic. Israel was populated by magic. If they didn't migrate by normal means then I guess it must have been magic. If it wasn't by magic - then what do you suppose it must have been? I'd say normal means, wouldn't you?

 

[ladylola]

I'd agree Israel was populated by perfectly normal means and doubt if we'd find anyone who would argue otherwise.
Now assuming all those 5-6 million people existed and went peacefully and willingly to Israel removes the need for the death camps . Further it removes the need for any conspiracy to say there was a holocaust . If no one died who actually benifits from saying they did , creating all that false information , photos , and infrastructure when there are 5-6 million who could stand up and say " look I'm here" and a correspondingly high number of witnesses who could blow that conspiracy away very easily ? If the intent was to put blame onto defeated Germany for a crime never committed who would actually gain anything from that? Both the west and Russia had been attacked but had defeated Germany and now held territories formally held by them along with access to resources , wealth , and intelligence that were formally Germany's . What else would anyone gain? And don't forget it would also involve the west and Russia acting in a state of cooperation for it all to work. That's the Achillies heel of conspiracies , the shear number of people involved all keeping quiet and not divulging the truth.

 

[wobs]

Jeds to start with your proof fails in that it wasn't logistically possible to operate 52 ovens.
So answer these questions:

1) Why did none of the chimneys show up on Aerial Photos in operation? No fire without smoke.

They have. This has been shown to you.

2) Where were these ovens situated? Looking at plans of the site it was a pretty cramped place.

This has been shown to you.

3) Did they build new chimneys to cater for the 40 odd new ovens? They won't work without an updraft. They can't run 24/7 or they crack. Why did they advertise for 800 stokers when it was the Jews themselves that supposedly loaded the ovens? Why couldn't they load the coke too?
Why were there no photos of trains bringing coke? Why are there no aerial photos of piles of coke on the ground?

Pointless questions showing classic conspiracy theory despiration.

4) How did they transport millions of people to the camp when there were few engines or carriages in Poland at the time? If the trains and lines did exist - then why are they on no aerial photos? Why did none of them ever get strafed by aircraft?

Trains can make more than one trip. Auschwitz was in an ideal location for the train network, which is why it was where it was.

5) Why did the Red Cross deny the numbers killed?

They don't. This has already been explained to you.

6) Why did the French Resistance (who were in all the camps) deny the Holocaust?

All the French Resistence were in camps? News to me.
Why don't you ask survivors about their opinions on this.

7) What happened to all of the new ovens when the camp was vacated? If they didn't take them with them - they'd still be there.

A lot of equipment was destroyed before liberation, and some didn't survive liberation. There is also a thing called time. It was over 70 years ago, and things happen in that amount of time. Especially in countries behind the Iron Curtain.

8)Why has no bone grinding machinery ever been found in ANY camp?

This has been explained to you.

9)Where did they put all the new arrivals when they got there? Did they put them straight to death? There are numerous pictures of happy looking children leaving the camps, so where were they staying? More importantly, If people were ravaged by typhus - then why did they let them take precious room in the huts when they could have sent them straight to the gas chambers? What was the purpose of keeping them and treating them?

This has been explained to you.

it matters not what one person was coerced into saying. Maybe he didn't like crushed nuts.
What matters is logistics - and if you can't sort out that conundrum, then you simply have to accept that the holocaust never happened.
So you answer my questions - failure to do so will mean you agree with me that it just never happened.

Over to you.

This has been explained to you. You just ignore it, and make your self look silly. Your hatred shows for all to see, which is why people continue to post here, so it can be shown what you are.

 

[wobs]

The Jews made their way to Israel over a number of years after the war. There was no mass exodus. The Jews were supposedly gassed long after 41/42. They claim that Treblinka was a death camp where 900,000 were gassed, but the trouble with that theory is that the Nazis forgot to build any crematoria for body disposal. So where did all those bodies go?

Cremation in open air resulting in plenty of ash to dispose of:

http://www.holocaust-history.org/Treblinka/appendixd/index.shtml
And of course, resulting in lots of archeology, since found in a study.
And backed by a written evidence, and eye witness accounts, and historians..... and basically, everyone else.