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Another straw man from Dum.
Nobody has called for daily votes.
But if they did, they would not be undemocratic. Just wearisome.
Not everyday, but the principal holds, ie what makes another referendum non democratic?
Of course we arent talking another day, but 3 years later, where people have become far more knowledgeable about the EU.
And most importantly, 3 years of negotiating finally shows what deal or deals are available.
Voting to support a deal is very different to blindly voting in or out.
I cant help thinking leavers dont want another vote because they sense the mood has changed
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Referendums and more direct democracy are predicated on an informed public. If the public understands the issues then we can have more referendums.
Ia an 'informed public' partly dependent on honest politicians?
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Shouldn't have to be, if a public is informed and works off facts, dishonest politicians face tougher scrutiny. You cannot tell continual lies to people who know and understand the facts.
It's possible that a particular renowned lying, dishonest UK politician will be prosecuted for misconduct in public office.
That's an interesting thought.
Cognitive Dissonance.
People can come to terms with the awful facts to excuse them.
What if they don't hold public office? But are still high profile public figures?
"Misconduct in public office" is a particular offence in Engish law.
AFAIK there is not a law against being a lying, cheating, scheming scoundrel.
Pity.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/misconduct-public-office
AFAIK there is not a law against being a lying, cheating, scheming scoundrel.
Pity.
https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/misconduct-public-office
Interestingly, MPs and MEPs do not appear in the list of 'Public Offices', although the article does say that the list is not exhaustive.
But it appears that over several centuries, no MP or MEP has been charged.
"The following have been accepted as holding a public office by the courts over several centuries:
- Coroner (1675) Parker 2 Lev 140
- Constable (1703) Wyatt 1 Salk 380
- Accountant in the office of the Paymaster General (1783) Bembridge 3 Doug
- K.B. 32
- Justice of the Peace (1791) Sainsbury 4 T.R 451
- Executive or ministerial officer (1819) R v Friar 1 Chit.Rep (KB) 702
- Gaoler (1827) Cope 6 A%E 226
- Mayor or burgess (1828) Henly v Mayor of Lyme 5 Bing 91
- Magistrates Pinney (1832) 110 ER 349
- Overseer of the poor (1891) Hall 1 QB 747
- Army officer (1914) Whitaker 10 Cr.App.R.245
- County Court registrar (district judge) (1968) Llewellyn-Jones 1 Q.B.429
- Police officer (1979) Dytham 69 Cr.App.R.387
- Local authority employees (1995) Bowden 4 All E.R 505
- DVLA employees Att Gen’s Ref (No 140 of 2004) [2004] EWCA Crim 3525
- Police Community Support Officer Amar Iqbal [2008] EWCA Crim 2066
- Immigration officers John-Ayo [2009] 1 Cr App R (S) 71
- Those in charge of police computer systems Gallagher [2010] EWCA Crim 3201
- Nurses working within a prison Cosford [2014] QB 81
- Church of England clergy James (1850) 2 Den 1, 169 ER 393 though its authority was doubted in the unreported case of Ball (8 September 2015) in which Wilkie J ruled that a Church of England Bishop was a public office holder.
- Local councillor (2004) R v Speechley [2004] EWCA Crim 3067
- Member of the Independent Monitoring Board for prisons (2010) R v Belton [2010] EWCA Crim 2857
Surely not!
You can when the people are so ideologically opposed to reality that they do not care about the facts, but act as if denying them will make them go away.
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