Trade with EU

[Davie Jones]

I suspect however the EU workers whose livelihoods rely on the selling of those 175,000 cars to the UK, would have something to say if the EU bureaucrats decided to halt their production lines whilst protracted 'trade negotiations' were held.

As would the makers of every other vehicle made in the EU. Which brings me round to my original question, where would Renault dump all of those vehicles?

 

[JohnD]

What a strange question.

Why have you assumed that all trade between UK and rEU would cease?

Why have you assumed that production figures have no connection to demand?

It's nearly as strange as Doug suggesting that "bureaucrats" would order a factory to stop production, or that the two-year notice period would end without any agreement being reached.

 

[Davie Jones]

I haven't assumed that at all, but if as you suggest tariffs will be raised on EU imports, then the price of imported cars will increase and so Renault will lose the only advantage that they have... They are cheap. Similarly with the lower end vehicles from the Germans and Italians.

 

[Davie Jones]

John, if as you and project fear suggest tariffs will go onto good immediately in both directions, then the big manufacturers from the EU will step in due to lost sales, so the tariffs will be removed very quickly. If as the Brexiters suggest that trade will continue as before with a mutual no tariff agreement, then there will be no tariffs.... Either way, there will be no tariffs and the world will continue to rotate. I guess that you have never run a business and so have no grasp of how business works

 

[JohnD]

It's lovely that you can make things up and pretend that I've said them. Perhaps its typical of anti-EU campaigners like you, Boris and Nigel to spread false propaganda.

So now, instead of "all of those vehicles" you are suggesting that, for a nation outside the EU, without the advantages that EU membership brings, trade with the EU would be less easy, and would suffer to some extent. Is that what you are now saying?

 

[Davie Jones]

No. That is what you and Project Fear claim. Brexit say that there would be no difference... I guess that you will just have to wait and see. Roll on Brexit, eh?

So what are the advantages of EU membership in your opinion?

 

[JohnD]

So now you are claiming that there will be no downside to resigning from the EU and that trade will continue just as before? So long, I suppose, that UK commits to obeying EU regulations while no longer having a voice in framing them.

What sweet optimism you have.

Have you admitted now that your claim about tariffs was a lie?

 

[Doug99]

So now you are claiming that there will be no downside to resigning from the EU and that trade will continue just as before? So long, I suppose, that UK commits to obeying EU regulations while no longer having a voice in framing them.

What sweet optimism you have.

Have you admitted now that your claim about tariffs was a lie?

We currently export goods to the EU - eg electrical items need to meet EU standards and have 2 pin plugs.
We currently export goods to the US - eg electrical items need to meet US standards and have 2 pin plugs.

After Brexit:

We will still export goods to the EU - eg electrical items with the same 2 pin plug

We don't need to 'frame' local standards/regulations to export the electrical item as they already exist.

 

[JohnD]

It's not just the plug. When the EU brings in new rules for low-energy washing machines, environmentally-friendly fridges, or whatever, we will obey them without having participated in the framing. Like Norway.

Much more relevant, since it is bigger than the whole of our manufacturing industry, is Financial Services. At the moment, being one of the biggest and most prosperous members of the EU, and having the largest Financial sector, we have a substantial voice in setting the regulations. For example we have blocked a Financial Transactions tax. As a foreign country outside the EU, it will always be that bit easier for EU traders to deal with other EU companies.

Consider Switzerland, which had to agree to obey EU banking laws, even for transactions within its own borders.

People like Davey Grouch try to gloss over the fact that the EU is Britain's biggest trading partner, so we want to accommodate them. UK is not the rEU's biggest trading partner. Renault could halve its trade with the UK and hardly notice the difference.

 

[Doug99]

It's not just the plug. When the EU brings in new rules for low-energy washing machines, environmentally-friendly fridges, or whatever, we will obey them without having participated in the framing. Like Norway.

If the EU decide to introduce low-energy regulations for washing machines. UK manufacturers will update their production lines to meet the new standard

Likewise, if the US decide to change their electrical standards to include a 3 pin plug - again our production lines will adapt - its not rocket science.

 

[JohnD]

You don't think there is any benefit in being at the table when regulations are put together, to protect your interests.

If that's your opinion, great. You stick to it.

 

[Davie Jones]

You don't think there is any benefit in being at the table when regulations are put together, to protect your interests.

If that's your opinion, great. You stick to it.

And just how much influence do you think we have at that table? Around the same as we had when Cameron tried to negotiate benefit restrictions to immigrants to the UK

 

[JohnD]

And just how much influence do you think we have at that table?

A billion per cent more than if we resign, dummy.

 

[EFLImpudence]

A billion times nought = ?

 

[jockscott]

So now you are claiming that there will be no downside to resigning from the EU

Johnny me lad,, Can you give us an "upside" to remaining in the EU (as it is at present) ??