UK housing stock

[ellal]

It's not blaming foreigners, the fact is we are a small country that is full.

The UK is not 'full'...

Only about 3% of the UK is built on, or to put it another way less than the land revealed when the tide goes out...

The UK is on paper a rich country, but the money is concentrated in a small percentage of the population hence the perception that too many people are affecting what can be seen easily - namely public services!

So then too many ignorant people are sucked in by the right wing press/politicians, and are persuaded to blame immigration for what are home grown problems.

They also fail to understand that the UK has an ageing population, and thus the worker to unproductive people falls unless there is immigration...

We are now seeing problems in an ever increasing number of occupations because of a lack of employees which has been made worse because of brexit...

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Only about 3% of the UK is built on, or to put it another way less than the land revealed when the tide goes out...

Let's compare that to NZ Aus Germany France Canada the USA.

Let's just put then in fields shall we. Get some tents and we will be fine.

 

[albaPhenom]

There is nothing inherently wrong with new housing, modern building techniques, modern materials, airtight construction, increased U values and everything that goes with it.

The problem which we all seem to agree with is absolutely criminal house builders, lowest bid tendering processes and the sh*t tradesmen you get with it, the complete lack of snagging or Quality Control and the dimensions of floor space for rooms.

All of that can be fixed by much stronger regulation of home builders and maybe some agreed about regulations about reasonable minimum dimensions of floor space and distance to the neighbouring property. Home Builders should be held by law to build to a higher standard or put right at their own cost any defective work.

 

[ellal]

Let's just put then in fields shall we. Get some tents and we will be fine.

Although employing them in the fields used to be the way to get the crops in...

Of course our indigenous lot won't/can't do those jobs (too lazy/too stupid), but at least them 'foreigners' ain't taking their jobs that they won't do!

 

[Gerrydelasel]

There is nothing inherently wrong with new housing, modern building techniques, modern materials, airtight construction, increased U values and everything that goes with it.

All of that can be fixed by much stronger regulation of home builders

I agree that there's nothing inherently wrong with modern materials and techniques, but disagree that 'regulation' would fix it. Regulation is what got us here -the Town and Country Planning Act 1947 which favours big corporates. All the nicest homes I have seen are the rare ones being built by small/individual builders, who used to be the norm but have been choked out of the market since WW2. They don't need more regulation, they already build what people actually want, given the chance.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I agree that there's nothing inherently wrong with modern materials and techniques, but disagree that 'regulation' would fix it. Regulation is what go us here -the Town and Country Planning Act 1947 which favours big corporates. All the nicest homes I have seen are the rare ones being built by small/individual builders, who used to be the norm but have been choked out of the market since WW2.

There's definitely something wrong with the larger builders in terms of quality control and you don't need to be involved in that industry to see it. No doubt people who are involved would have their excuses, oops sorry reasons, for the long snagging (and larger issue) lists we read about. I agree it'll be nothing (or little) to do with the materials, much more to do with overly ambitious build timescales coupled with tradespeople that either aren't up to the job and/or don't care about the finished product.

No doubt people will tell me why it can't be this way, however I think the solution should be relatively simple. Have a proper quality control check at regular milestones in the build process (for every house) and anything that's not within accepted tolerances should be re-done. Oh wait, that's right, that would cost too much £££ to implement. So let's stick with a quality process that's evidently sh1te and just accept that things will need fixed afterwards, sometimes significantly so.

Pathetic.

 

[ellal]

So let's stick with a quality process that's evidently sh1te and just accept that things will need fixed afterwards, sometimes significantly so.

The 'customer' is now the point of 'quality control'...

Of course should they wish to get things fixed then invariably they will be subject to non disclosure agreements or face ruinous legal costs...

But hey, developers fund governments so why should the victim have any comeback!

 

[noseall]

The UK is not 'full'...

Only about 3% of the UK is built on

Bodd is just regurgitating one of his favourite Wail tropes. You can't really blame the lad for his ignorance.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Bodd is just regurgitating one of his favourite Wail tropes. You can't really blame the lad for his ignorance.

There is one D in Bod

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Nothing wrong with moden technology or builds its just quality control and lack of skilled trades as well as greed

 

[Deleted member 292770]

Nothing wrong with moden technology or builds its just quality control and lack of skilled trades as well as greed

there’s plenty wrong with modern technology .

 

[Deleted member 18243]

'Brown land' has been popular amongst residential developers ever since crap pubs and factories were invented. What gives you the impression that developers don't use brown land? Planning has a big say in what can be turned over to housing and what must remain business etc. Decisions are based upon amenity etc.

Developers use brown land , but they don't use nearly enough of it. They would sooner use the last patch of green grass on a suburban street to build evil little houses with no gardens, or swallow up half of a park or golf course.

Another waste of space is that above shops. Take a look around your town or city centre - what is in all those 2, 3, 4 and 5 storey spaces above Costa or WH Smiths?

 

[Deleted member 294929]

there’s plenty wrong with modern technology .

I dare say your right. However its those with no idea recruiting those with little idea that's the real problem

 

[ellal]

There is one D in Bod

Ah, so you are unrelated to the 'double d' Bodd?

Which Bodd are you - dyslexic Bodd or non dyslexic Bodd?

 

[Deleted member 294929]

Developers use brown land , but they don't use nearly enough of it. They would sooner use the last patch of green grass on a suburban street to build evil little houses with no gardens, or swallow up half of a park or golf course.

Another waste of space is that above shops. Take a look around your town or city centre - what is in all those 2, 3, 4 and 5 storey spaces above Costa or WH Smiths?

Yes mines full of migrants from wealthy remain voting London Boroughs.