Climate Refugees

[noseall]

I originally asked how much of these problems are due to building on land previously thought unsuitable

Flash flooding affects the high ground, low ground and any other ground for those unlucky enough to be beneath a months' worth of rain condensed into a few hours. Flash flooding and flooding in general has been getting worse this last decade. Horrific.

 

[denso13]

You don't need science or gut feelings to know not to build on land prone to flooding.

That wasn't always the belief. Gut feelings obviously weren't tuned in way back when...

 

[noseall]

Middle of July.

No flood plains just death and destruction.

 

[denso13]

You don't need science or gut feelings to know not to build on land prone to flooding.

Here's just one from some more idiots on how knowledge grew through time.

Historical Geomorphological Research of a Ligurian Coastal Floodplain (Italy) and Its Value for Management of Flood Risk and Environmental Sustainability

The alluvial plain of the Entella River (Eastern Liguria), historically affected by damaging flood events, has been heavily modified over the past 250 years by human activity and natural processes. A qualitative and quantitative analysis of the morphological and land use evolution of the Entella...

www.mdpi.com

 

[Justin Passing]

If you look at the countries most vulnerable to climate change, which I referred to, their troubles are nothing much to do with building on flood plains. That's a 'bugger all' in the scheme of things, raised by a silly internet troll who posts the irrelevant, the obvious, and the junk.
Climate is never constant but it changes slowly enough that ways of life can normally adapt to it. What's happening now is the rate of change being so high that people can't adapt.

If somewhere has to put in new flood defences over a period, that's not a big deal at all. Having the seasonal rains suddenly stop, or sea storms crashing over the islands your people have inhabited for centuries, several times a year, is different. That makes you a refugee because you have to live somewhere else, like a different country.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Having the seasonal rains suddenly stop, or sea storms crashing over the islands your people have inhabited for centuries, several times a year, is different. That makes you a refugee because you have to live somewhere else, like a different country.

Where has this happened? Where did the refugees go?

 

[Odds]

Here's just one from some more idiots on how knowledge grew through time.

Historical Geomorphological Research of a Ligurian Coastal Floodplain (Italy) and Its Value for Management of Flood Risk and Environmental Sustainability

The alluvial plain of the Entella River (Eastern Liguria), historically affected by damaging flood events, has been heavily modified over the past 250 years by human activity and natural processes. A qualitative and quantitative analysis of the morphological and land use evolution of the Entella...

www.mdpi.com

That's a detailed report filled with science in dense blocks of small text; not a quick and easy read for me unless i put on my glasses and find time to go through it. Have you read enough of it to provide a synopsis?

 

[Pat ex]

You don't need science or gut feelings to know not to build on land prone to flooding.

You can if the building is designed to accommodate potential flooding.

 

[Justin Passing]

You can if the building is designed to accommodate potential flooding.

You're trolling again. You happy to pop your house on stilts just in case you get unheard-of floods?

 

[denso13]

That's a detailed report filled with science in dense blocks of small text; not a quick and easy read for me unless i put on my glasses and find time to go through it. Have you read enough of it to provide a synopsis?

Here's the abstract,

Historical Geomorphological Research of a Ligurian Coastal Floodplain (Italy) and Its Value for Management of Flood Risk and Environmental Sustainability

The alluvial plain of the Entella River (Eastern Liguria), historically affected by damaging flood events, has been heavily modified over the past 250 years by human activity and natural processes. A qualitative and quantitative analysis of the morphological and land use evolution of the Entella...

www.mdpi.com

The point being, for Andy's sake, is that there is more to life than following your gut feeling. Sometimes people investigate things, detail their findings, propose/suggest recommendations/solutions from their findings and perhaps refine things as new discoveries are found.

@andy11 thinks people that do that, and produce outcomes which can be scrutinised, are "idiots" though.

 

[Justin Passing]

The point being, for Andy's sake, is that there is more to life than following your gut feeling. Sometimes people investigate things, detail their findings, propose/suggest recommendations/solutions from their findings and perhaps refine things as new discoveries are found.

@andy11 thinks people that do that, and produce outcomes which can be scrutinised, are "idiots" though.

Anything objective or which doesn't agree with Andy's guts, or meagre understanding, is a conspiracy.

 

[Pat ex]

You can if the building is designed to accommodate potential flooding.

You're trolling again. You happy to pop your house on stilts just in case you get unheard-of floods?

There are numerous maisonettes built above garages, often with just the bare minimum on the ground floor.
Have you never heard of coach houses?

And yes, I'm happy "pop my house on stilts just in case I get unheard-of floods" on a flood plain.

 

[Odds]

Here's just one from some more idiots on how knowledge grew through time.

Historical Geomorphological Research of a Ligurian Coastal Floodplain (Italy) and Its Value for Management of Flood Risk and Environmental Sustainability

The alluvial plain of the Entella River (Eastern Liguria), historically affected by damaging flood events, has been heavily modified over the past 250 years by human activity and natural processes. A qualitative and quantitative analysis of the morphological and land use evolution of the Entella...

www.mdpi.com

Thanks, now i see where you mean. I wondered if it was north of Rome which i read had been marshland drained in the time of Claudius, around 40AD and he also widened the river leading to the harbour at Ostia to increase cargo to Rome. You can still see the channels, silted up and full of grass, nowadays. That looks to be further north but on the opposite side is the Venetia where the Veneti, fleeing Lombards and Goths, set up a safe colony in the lagoon by driving thick wood piles into the soft mud and building what were in effect Crannogs.
These days we call it Venice.
Maybe not so mad an idea to build on a floodplain if you manage the flow of water effectively.

 

[Pat ex]

These days we call it Venice.
Maybe not so mad an idea to build on a floodplain if you manage the flow of water effectively.

The only problem with Venice is the mud and foundations.

Maybe it's the added weight of the tourists as well.

 

[wobs]

The only problem with Venice is the mud and foundations.

Maybe it's the added weight of the tourists as well.

And the smell.