Unmasking evolution

[JohnD]

Ah. Too difficult for you to answer.

So you keep pretending you can't read it.

 

[gasbanni]

Do you mean you think that

(1) The universe and everything in it was created by an unseen force,

and

(2) That the account in the Old Testament accurately describes how it was done?

Absolutely

http://www.pb.org/pbdocs/bibleac.html

 

[JohnD]

ah, so you mean you do believe that the myths in the Old Testament accurately describe how it was done.

1) Please tell me how you think they found out the true method.

2) Of all the religious myths, fables and legends in the world, what makes you think this is the true one?

Yes, I believe in fairy stories

 

[gasbanni]

Ive answered two of your questions can you refer me to where you answered one ?

I'll await your reply, especially as your own logic contradicts itself.

A tank cant evolve its not alive!

Life can evolve from things that are not alive.

Is the question simple enough now ?

 

[JohnD]

you are making things up and dishonestly accusing me of believing them.

Perhaps you believe the Old Testament story because, of all the myths and legends in the world, it is the one that you have heard most often. This does not, of course, provide any evidence that it is true.

I don't know why you chose to introduce the silly idea that a tank was thought to be capable of evolving itself. Perhaps so you could seize on anyone who commented on your stupidity and claim that if a tank couldn't evolve, neither could anything else.

 

[gasbanni]

ah, so you mean you do believe that the myths in the Old Testament accurately describe how it was done.

1) Please tell me how you think they found out the true method.

2) Of all the religious myths, fables and legends in the world, what makes you think this is the true one?

Yes, I believe in fairy stories

1) Divine inspiration.
2) Accuracy historically and scientifically.

Historical accuracy
http://www.icr.org/bible-history/
http://www.seeking4truth.com/historical_accuracy_of_the_bible.htm

science
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/science.shtml
http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Scientific-Proof-of-Bible.php
http://www.letusreason.org/Apolo6.htm

You asked a question and I've answered it again, I'll have to assume you cannot answer my questions if no answer is forthcoming.

Not many people have heard of this guy or his book, essentially he had a photographic memory and because of this realized something so he wrote a book in 1851. The language is from a different age and it takes a little effort to understand, the point he makes is unarguable.

http://archive.org/stream/undesignedcoinci1851blun#page/n5/mode/2up

 

[joinerjohn]

Absolutely

http://www.pb.org/pbdocs/bibleac.html[/QUOTE]

All of the examples of scientific accuracy in this article you link to, can be explained by observations made by the scribes who wrote the bible.
Not a small stretch of the imagination to believe they would have seen and deduced (by reasoning) why things happen around them. Why the sun rises in the morning and sets at night. They would have realised the world had to be round and not flat simply by sailing. Going far out to sea so they couldn't see land , would convince them the earth wasn't flat.
I really think these bible bashers credit our ancestors with far too little knowledge of their surroundings.

 

[JohnD]

you are surely not pretending that the Old Testament creation myth can be proved historically accurate?

Do you claim the same for that story about the talking snake and the magic rib-woman?

How did Noah get the elephants and the polar bears into his boat? Where did Japeth, Ham and Shem find their wives? How did Noah live to be five hundred years old?

 

[gasbanni]

you are making things up and dishonestly accusing me of believing them.

Perhaps you believe the Old Testament story because, of all the myths and legends in the world, it is the one that you have heard most often. This does not, of course, provide any evidence that it is true.

I don't know why you chose to introduce the silly idea that a tank was thought to be capable of evolving itself. Perhaps so you could seize on anyone who commented on your stupidity and claim that if a tank couldn't evolve, neither could anything else.

You didn't understand the argument, its all about design, a tank is simply iron ore and carbon simple constituents of the earth a bit of heat and it could form, that's far more likely to have occurred through external influences of heat volcano or whatever than an infinitely more complex simple life form of a single celled organism.

Question 1. Do you believe in Evolution ?

If the answer is yes then you believe that life evolved from non living elements. you said a tank could not evolve because it wasn't alive.
We agree on this.

Question 2.How could life have come from non living matter ?

You must believe life comes from non living matter if you believe in evolution.

So two questions please answer them. Ive answered every question you've asked me. If you'd bothered to look up any of the links Ive posted there are some very strong points raised.

 

[gasbanni]

you are surely not pretending that the Old Testament creation myth can be proved historically accurate?

Do you claim the same for that story about the talking snake and the magic rib-woman?

How did Noah get the elephants and the polar bears into his boat? Where did Japeth, Ham and Shem find their wives? How did Noah live to be five hundred years old?

I'll answer these when you've answered my questions , it wasn't just Noah that lived to be old ! Noahs ark thats an easy one !

Shem Ham and japeth is the correct order by the way !

I'm not pretending anything its all true !

 

[gasbanni]

Hello gasbanni

you keep pretending you can't read it. Here it is again. Do you believe

(2) That the fairy story in the Old Testament accurately describes how it was done?

I've made it bigger to help you see it.

Fairy story to you, Historically accurate record to me !
Is that plain enough..........like it or not all Humanity goes back to an original pair of humans they could be called Fed and wilma it doesn't matter what they were called really.

 

[gasbanni]

Hello gasbanni

you keep pretending you can't read it. Here it is again. Do you believe

(2) That the fairy story in the Old Testament accurately describes how it was done?

I've made it bigger to help you see it.

these all believe in the fairy story as well ~
http://creation.com/scientists-alive-today-who-accept-the-biblical-account-of-creation

 

[JohnD]

Fairy story to you, Historically accurate record to me !

You think its historically accurate that a woman made out of a rib was tricked inti eating a fruit by a talking snake?
That's ridiculous.

But no more ridiculous than your other tales.

Where did Noah get the two kangaroos?

 

[chapeau]

There's no point in trying to inject facts into a disussion with a fruit cake who believes earth was made in seven days. They have their fingers in their ears and brains in cloud cuckoo land.

 

[joe-90]

OK science guys:

14 billion years ago the universe didn't exist.

13.77 billion years ago the universe leapt into existence from nothing in the 'big bang'.

Now tell me what acted upon that nothing to suddenly make it a something.

Some of us give that something a name - God.

What do you choose to call it? Janet? Tracy? It's just a name - which one will you choose for it? Whatever that something is that we call God - it's the the same entity that you call Mildred or Dorothy...

Come on guys, what was it that acted upon nothing to create the Universe? And why did it do it? Gimme the science.