Can't disagree with that. We all work on the assumption that everybody thinks like we do, but of course they don't. We imagine that once we explain things to somebody they will say, 'oh yes, I see, now I understand'. But it's not like that. The psychology behind conspiracy theorists is actually that they don't want to debate and arrive at any logic. They like their alternative position, and the more alternative and bonkers it is, the more they like it. So there's no point trying to tell them facts and figures and overwhelming evidence, they are simply not interested.
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Has it occurred to you that these explanations might be inadequate and inconsistent?
There are lots of contradictions, U turns, untruths.
I think the reverse is true. It is you who will not accept that there might be an alternative.
You dismiss anyone who asks a valid question as "a conspiracy theorist" and do not attempt to answer the question.
In fact, in today's world such questions or attempted alternative explanations are actively discouraged.
Do you not think that the subject should be discussed?
I would say most don't like the position.
There are some like that but as said before, you cannot dismiss genuine worries with the retort that some people still maintain the world is flat.
Are those facts, figures and overwhelming evidence actually correct. How do you know?
You must be very upset and worried that Johnson has done away with the restrictions.
What if it turns out to be the first correct thing he has done?
I'm the chief cynic me. I accept nothing without considering and weighing the various factors.
These vaccine threads on here are joe90 conversations. (some of you will remember joe90) His technique was to wind some mad conversation up to a point that somebody would go to the trouble of doing all the research and providing all the evidence and then he would just ignore all that and simply revert right back to his original point like nothing had happened. And so the mad conversation would continue.
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I did so take no notice or perhaps it's past your pay grade. It is effective because positives against cases show there is a very distinct difference to what went on during the last wave and actually the previous one.
Actually I suspect you are just like a number of people who complain about covid handling aspects but not one of the commercial ones who know what the effect would be if things went as they would like but complain anyway. Another type bends statistics and makes things look stupid. They ignore why thing are being done as they are. True their aspect does include negatives but they don't mention that there is a positive net gain. Lateral flow tests are a good example. Your probably the other type that crops up a lot actually - you know you are spouting rubbish and do anyway just like lots of youtube pundits and news sources in some areas. i fail to understand why a lot of people just don't ignore it.
On the other hand you might be a 5G mast burner type of person. Believe anything other than reality. The person that started that one probably knew what the results would be and was having fun - as they see that anyway.
LOL I just look at the evidence regularly. Mostly once a week but may skip some.
But I did take the trouble to screen shot a bit of it and post - more for peoples interest in this case due to poor reporting in many areas -- cases cases cases when that isn't the important aspect. Actually there is a bit of a hole in looking at the positives. Maybe a doubter will figure out what it is. I've been there and done that and it truly doesn't matter.More interesting is vaccine take up in age goups where the vaccine is very clearly a safer option for all in them. It has been carefully weighed from past hospitalisation.
The very young mentioned of late. Bit different risk has been found to be low having the jab or from catching it - a few do finish up dead though. They also log outbreaks and where they occurred. They hope in these age groups that vaccination will reduce the period when a person can infect others. It will take a while to see how effective vaccines are in this area. R value changes.
An utter **** that knew zero about the building trade but insisted in giving out poor advice all the same.
That's the one.
I’m not keen on the idea of vaccine passports, but in practical terms there will have to some way of identifying whether people are vaccinated or not.
I also find it hard to accept mandatory vaccines - I can see it clinical settings because that already happens in the NHS, but not the wider public.
I also find it hard to accept mandatory vaccines - I can see it clinical settings because that already happens in the NHS, but not the wider public.
Why?
As I pointed out in my thread regarding this, with the Delta variant (or is it just another U turn) vaccinated people can be infectious - so what is the point of 'passports'?
Do you think that vaccinated people are exactly as likely to catch the disease; exactly as likely to be symptomatic, exactly as likely to pass it on, for exactly as long a time, exactly as likely to be hospitalised, and exactly as likely to die?
If yes to all those, no point.
But is that what you really think?
Owning a car isn’t compulsory it’s a choice.(catch a bus or train,no seatbelts)
The report from the CDC (not WHO as I mistakenly said but no one noticed) stated that:
"Fully vaccinated people who get a Covid-19 breakthrough infection can transmit the virus, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Thursday.
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well," Walensky told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "They continue to work well for Delta, with regard to severe illness and death -- they prevent it. But what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission."
So, unless you can tell which vaccinated person is or isn't, then what is the point of passports?
I must be missing something fundamental if what vaccines can't do anymore is prevent transmission does not mean what vaccines can't do anymore is prevent transmission - so please explain what it does mean.
Vaccinated people are still less likely to infect.
and businesses have a duty of care to staff and general public….so if an unvaccinated person caught Covid on their premises and died, they could be sued.
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