Vive La France!

[JonathanM]

Speaking as someone who was held to account for quite reasonably maintaining an argument about the speaker's political bias over the snp amendment

How were you held to account? Did the Mods block you or delete your posts etc?

 

[Notch7]

Speaking as someone who was held to account for quite reasonably maintaining an argument about the speaker's political bias over the snp amendment, it is impossible when faced with a factually incorrect counter argument to concede it is correct, and, on this occasion at least, I am with MBK on the narrow certify/approve argument. Normally unduly repetitive threads are locked by moderators, but they seem to have been permanently furloughed, or maybe they acknowldge it is an important subject.

If doctors don’t sign the form then the abortion can’t go ahead

Therefore the process requires doctors signatures to approve it.

 

[noseall]

I'm sure there are dozens. But they aren't the basis of the abortion act
how could he make any medical assessment without examining the woman?

Doctors did it frequently, i.e remote medical consultations during Covid.

 

[JonathanM]

it is impossible when faced with a factually incorrect counter argument to concede it is correct

That's not the only way to end this. It just needs one party to say "It's clear we are never going to agree, we are just going over the same arguments time and time again, so why don't we just stop"

or maybe they acknowldge it is an important subject

The meaning of the word "approve"?

P.S. It looks you're being dragged in now!

 

[noseall]

the requirement to certify the opinion is not an approval

Of course it is.

 

[noseall]

That's not the only way to end this. It just needs one party to say "It's clear we are never going to agree, we are just going over the same arguments time and time again, so why don't we just stop"



The meaning of the word "approve"?

P.S. It looks you're being dragged in now!

MBK has yet to show ANY documentation that refutes the word approve, by anyone other than himself. There are no disclaimers or caveats when the word approve is used, either

 

[Notch7]

It just needs one party to say "It's clear we are never going to agree, we are just going over the same arguments time and time again, so why don't we just stop"

It just needs MTB to admit he is wrong instead of making endless logical fallacies

 

[Notch7]

I have and still maintain this is not an approval, the requirement to certify the opinion is not an approval and the doctor is explicitly told he is not certifying that abortion is the best course of action

It is approval for the abortion to proceed

No signature no approval no abortion

“Best course of action” that’s a moral judgement

 

[denso13]

I'm sure there are dozens. But they aren't the basis of the abortion act

No medical considerations? Give your head a shake...

(1)Subject to the provisions of this section, a person shall not be guilty of an offence under the law relating to abortion when a pregnancy is terminated by a registered medical practitioner if two registered medical practitioners are of the opinion, formed in good faith—

[F1(a)that the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week and that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family; or

(b)that the termination is necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman; or

(c)that the continuance of the pregnancy would involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated; or

(d)that there is a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped.]

 

[JonathanM]

MBK has yet to show ANY documentation that refutes the word approve, by anyone other than himself. There are no disclaimers or caveats when the word approve is used, either

He will probably say that you can't prove a negative!

But that aside, why not just agree to disagree? Everyone could just accept that it's clear that you have slightly different interpretations of "approve" as used in this context and that neither side is going to accept the other's.

 

[JonathanM]

It just needs MTB to admit he is wrong

That's never going to happen.

 

[Notch7]

That's never going to happen.

 

[Notch7]

I have not been involved in any argument

I was using argue in this meaning:

"give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view."

not an argument

 

[motorbiking]

Disagree all you like. But when it is published in a Parliamentary abortion report as well as documented a trillion times elsewhere, including legal articles, doctors and midwives journals, then it seems it is only you that fails to understand that it is an approval.

You really do need to read the whole report and of course the actual law.

You can be legally accountable for an approval, there is no recourse to an opinion formed in good faith. It's why Lawyers give "legal opinion" all the time.

 

[motorbiking]

Doctors did it frequently, i.e remote medical consultations during Covid.

Did you read the text in HSA1 (delete as applicable)

I Have/have not* seen/and examined* the pregnant woman to whom this certificate relates at

There is no requirement for a consultation of any kind.