Vote UKIP
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says who? UKIP have good policies that real people wanna hear and they have a "backbone" to say it. Labour/Lib Dem are a joke
Torries will get the most votes and Labour/Lib Dems won't have any policy making of their own, BUT UKIP/BNP etc will probably team up with Torries on most policies
Torries will get the most votes and Labour/Lib Dems won't have any policy making of their own, BUT UKIP/BNP etc will probably team up with Torries on most policies
They have MEP seats, they are getting stronger all the time. Last year at the London vote they got more than Labour and Lib Dems.
People who vote for Labour are odd, they need locking up
People who vote for Labour are odd, they need locking up
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People who vote Labour are just plain sick. I have no time for them.
For a party that are an irrelevance Joe,you are taking a lot of interest
Well, looks like I will be voting UKIP. I have done that online questionnaire that was posted, a couple of times, and I keep coming out UKIP.
Bit unfortunately, I am in one of, if not THE safest Labour seat in the UK, over 70% majority. I am surrounded by thick sh*ts, who dont know the first thing why they are voting, If I had a pound for every thick sh*t I have heard oved the years say "My grandfather voted labour, and so did my father, and so do I"
I can see Labour tactics, the once "Working class party" is now the "Non working class party"
With all these lazy tw*ats lapping it all up, Labour knows that they have millions of guaranteed votes
Bit unfortunately, I am in one of, if not THE safest Labour seat in the UK, over 70% majority. I am surrounded by thick sh*ts, who dont know the first thing why they are voting, If I had a pound for every thick sh*t I have heard oved the years say "My grandfather voted labour, and so did my father, and so do I"
I can see Labour tactics, the once "Working class party" is now the "Non working class party"
With all these lazy tw*ats lapping it all up, Labour knows that they have millions of guaranteed votes
B
Big Tone
Not strictly on the O.P. topic but here's just a few interesting facts about Gordon Brown; sent to me today...
We used to have 6 independent regulators to regulate the different divisions of the financial services industry, including our Banks.
(Margaret Thatcher knew what the Banks were like and in the 1988 Finance Act she bound the Banks up in regulation to prevent them from being reckless!!!)
Then Gordon Brown became Chancellor on 6th May 1997...
Gordon's banker friends said "We want all these regulators to go". "We don't want regulators watching everything we do"
AND GORDON SAID OK
So, Gordon announced on the 20th May 1997 (2 weeks after becoming Chancellor) that the six regulatory bodies would be broken up and a new Financial Services Authority would replace them. The FSA had virtually no powers over the Banks and he also took away the powers from the Bank of England to enforce regulation on them. The result is the devastation we are all suffering today.
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We used to have a Monopolies and Mergers Commission.
Then Gordon's banker friends said we don't want the Monopolies and Mergers commission telling us who we can and cant "Take Over"
AND GORDON SAID OK
So, in 1998 Gordon scrapped the Monopolies and Mergers Commission and created a replacement called the Competition Commission, with very much reduced powers and different ideas of what used to be regarded as a "Monopoly".
The result is the Massive Corporations we have today who are ruling and shaping our lives for their own benefit and profits. Not to mention the massive Monopolies held by some of these corporations through the forced purchases of all their competitors
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We used to have pension regulations, which for many decades had included something called "The Pensions Cap". The pensions cap set a limit on how much pension any scheme member (including directors) could get from an occupational pension scheme, irrespective of how high their earnings were. It was there to protect the ordinary members pensions. To prevent Directors paying themselves obscene salaries and then draining the pension funds with huge pensions.
Then Gordon Brown's banker friends said that they wanted the pensions cap removing so that they could get pensions related to their obscene earnings. (The whole Pensions industry gave him warnings of the effects it would have. Even the Inland revenue put forward objections)
BUT GORDON SAID OK Because Gordon never likes to disappoint his banker friends.
So Gordon took away the Pensions Cap in 2005 and then some of his friends were able to leave their boardroom positions with huge pensions!!! For example Fred Goodwin was apparently entitled to a pension of over £700,000
If Gordon had left the pensions cap in place that would have been a mere £125,000. Well done Fred and your mates!!!
(The Superannuations Division of the Inland Revenue have kept a record of what it should be, in readiness for when we get a new chancellor who sees fit to re-instate it. George Osborn has pledged to do that). The record of Pensions Cap limits are available to view on the Revenue's website
The result of this is that along with Gordon's "Tax Raid" on pension funds starting July 1997, over four thousand UK company pension scheme's have closed their doors to new members and many of them have had to close down altogether, leaving millions of workers without any pension provision.
This man Gordon Brown professes to be a socialist and 'for' the working man...
The working man's main form of long term financial security had for many years been his company pension scheme, something to look forward to at the end of a life of hard work, his reward, light at the end of a long dark tunnel.
Gordon has put an end to that by destroying the most valuable asset
of the average British worker.
IT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST TRAVESTIES OF JUSTICE THAT THIS MAN WHO PRETENDS TO BE "FOR THE WORKING MAN" HAS IN FACT BEEN HIS WORST ENEMY FOR THE LAST THIRTEEN YEARS AND WILL LEAVE A LEGACY THAT WE WILL STILL BE CLEARING UP FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
THE REAL INJUSTICE IS THAT ITS ALL BEEN DONE IN AREAS WHICH ARE TOTALLY OUT OF SIGHT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND BEYOND THE UNDERSTANDING OF MANY.
GORDON RELIES ENTIRELY ON PEOPLES IGNORANCE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS INDISCRETIONS
GORDON'S MOTTO OF: "DENY EVERYTHING AND ADMIT NOTHING" SEEMS TO BE WORKING QUITE WELL FOR HIM SO FAR!!!
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LASTLY, WHAT GORDON LIKES TO CALL THE "GLOBAL BANKING CRISIS"
Have you noticed that we were the first to be in it and are the last to be out (and whether we are out is very speculative!!!)
As he has openly admitted, The Royal Bank of Scotland was the worlds biggest bank.
So when RBS and HBOS were about to go BUST in October 2008 and they had to be bailed out overnight so they did not take the entire country down with them! (That, by the way, was almost certainly a decision made by the hierarchy in Whitehall for which Gordon loves to take the credit).
As the worlds leading banks now all lend money to each other on a colossal scale, isn't it obvious that the worlds biggest bank going down would have a devastating effect on all the others it dealt with. This "worlds biggest bank" had also sold bad mortgage books to other banks.
Most of the Banks in Europe which ran into crisis were dragged into it because of the crooked dealings of our big Banks. A fact that both Germany and France were quick to remind Gordon Brown of at the G20 emergency meeting shortly after the crisis.
There are many other of Gordon's indiscretions, far too many to list here, but perhaps the few biggie's shown above will give some insight into how Gordon operates.
By the way, have you noticed how he has suddenly become interested in Social issues now an election is looming and seems to be able to promise the world when, as Alistair Darling put it a few days ago, there is not a penny left in the bank!!!
Think very carefully before casting your vote for this man who is probably the most extreme capitalist of the past century while pretending to be "for the working man".
GORDON WORSHIPS THE SUPER RICH AND POWERFUL AND CANNOT SAY NO TO THEM!
We used to have 6 independent regulators to regulate the different divisions of the financial services industry, including our Banks.
(Margaret Thatcher knew what the Banks were like and in the 1988 Finance Act she bound the Banks up in regulation to prevent them from being reckless!!!)
Then Gordon Brown became Chancellor on 6th May 1997...
Gordon's banker friends said "We want all these regulators to go". "We don't want regulators watching everything we do"
AND GORDON SAID OK
So, Gordon announced on the 20th May 1997 (2 weeks after becoming Chancellor) that the six regulatory bodies would be broken up and a new Financial Services Authority would replace them. The FSA had virtually no powers over the Banks and he also took away the powers from the Bank of England to enforce regulation on them. The result is the devastation we are all suffering today.
--------------------------------------
We used to have a Monopolies and Mergers Commission.
Then Gordon's banker friends said we don't want the Monopolies and Mergers commission telling us who we can and cant "Take Over"
AND GORDON SAID OK
So, in 1998 Gordon scrapped the Monopolies and Mergers Commission and created a replacement called the Competition Commission, with very much reduced powers and different ideas of what used to be regarded as a "Monopoly".
The result is the Massive Corporations we have today who are ruling and shaping our lives for their own benefit and profits. Not to mention the massive Monopolies held by some of these corporations through the forced purchases of all their competitors
-------------------------------------
We used to have pension regulations, which for many decades had included something called "The Pensions Cap". The pensions cap set a limit on how much pension any scheme member (including directors) could get from an occupational pension scheme, irrespective of how high their earnings were. It was there to protect the ordinary members pensions. To prevent Directors paying themselves obscene salaries and then draining the pension funds with huge pensions.
Then Gordon Brown's banker friends said that they wanted the pensions cap removing so that they could get pensions related to their obscene earnings. (The whole Pensions industry gave him warnings of the effects it would have. Even the Inland revenue put forward objections)
BUT GORDON SAID OK Because Gordon never likes to disappoint his banker friends.
So Gordon took away the Pensions Cap in 2005 and then some of his friends were able to leave their boardroom positions with huge pensions!!! For example Fred Goodwin was apparently entitled to a pension of over £700,000
If Gordon had left the pensions cap in place that would have been a mere £125,000. Well done Fred and your mates!!!
(The Superannuations Division of the Inland Revenue have kept a record of what it should be, in readiness for when we get a new chancellor who sees fit to re-instate it. George Osborn has pledged to do that). The record of Pensions Cap limits are available to view on the Revenue's website
The result of this is that along with Gordon's "Tax Raid" on pension funds starting July 1997, over four thousand UK company pension scheme's have closed their doors to new members and many of them have had to close down altogether, leaving millions of workers without any pension provision.
This man Gordon Brown professes to be a socialist and 'for' the working man...
The working man's main form of long term financial security had for many years been his company pension scheme, something to look forward to at the end of a life of hard work, his reward, light at the end of a long dark tunnel.
Gordon has put an end to that by destroying the most valuable asset
of the average British worker.
IT IS ONE OF THE GREATEST TRAVESTIES OF JUSTICE THAT THIS MAN WHO PRETENDS TO BE "FOR THE WORKING MAN" HAS IN FACT BEEN HIS WORST ENEMY FOR THE LAST THIRTEEN YEARS AND WILL LEAVE A LEGACY THAT WE WILL STILL BE CLEARING UP FOR MANY YEARS TO COME.
THE REAL INJUSTICE IS THAT ITS ALL BEEN DONE IN AREAS WHICH ARE TOTALLY OUT OF SIGHT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND BEYOND THE UNDERSTANDING OF MANY.
GORDON RELIES ENTIRELY ON PEOPLES IGNORANCE TO GET AWAY WITH HIS INDISCRETIONS
GORDON'S MOTTO OF: "DENY EVERYTHING AND ADMIT NOTHING" SEEMS TO BE WORKING QUITE WELL FOR HIM SO FAR!!!
----------------------------------------
LASTLY, WHAT GORDON LIKES TO CALL THE "GLOBAL BANKING CRISIS"
Have you noticed that we were the first to be in it and are the last to be out (and whether we are out is very speculative!!!)
As he has openly admitted, The Royal Bank of Scotland was the worlds biggest bank.
So when RBS and HBOS were about to go BUST in October 2008 and they had to be bailed out overnight so they did not take the entire country down with them! (That, by the way, was almost certainly a decision made by the hierarchy in Whitehall for which Gordon loves to take the credit).
As the worlds leading banks now all lend money to each other on a colossal scale, isn't it obvious that the worlds biggest bank going down would have a devastating effect on all the others it dealt with. This "worlds biggest bank" had also sold bad mortgage books to other banks.
Most of the Banks in Europe which ran into crisis were dragged into it because of the crooked dealings of our big Banks. A fact that both Germany and France were quick to remind Gordon Brown of at the G20 emergency meeting shortly after the crisis.
There are many other of Gordon's indiscretions, far too many to list here, but perhaps the few biggie's shown above will give some insight into how Gordon operates.
By the way, have you noticed how he has suddenly become interested in Social issues now an election is looming and seems to be able to promise the world when, as Alistair Darling put it a few days ago, there is not a penny left in the bank!!!
Think very carefully before casting your vote for this man who is probably the most extreme capitalist of the past century while pretending to be "for the working man".
GORDON WORSHIPS THE SUPER RICH AND POWERFUL AND CANNOT SAY NO TO THEM!
L
lifesagasman
that was very informative, BT. thanks for that post
B
Big Tone
Ta bud. 
I can’t take credit for it, (hence the “sent to me” bit), but I can relate to it as someone who has avidly followed political news and debates over the years and believe it to be true and accurate.
So maybe if there are some floaters here they won’t drift their way. That said, I hope they don’t drift the other way either.
I suffered under Thatcherism; I hope we never find out what Cameronism is like...
I can’t take credit for it, (hence the “sent to me” bit), but I can relate to it as someone who has avidly followed political news and debates over the years and believe it to be true and accurate.So maybe if there are some floaters here they won’t drift their way. That said, I hope they don’t drift the other way either.
I suffered under Thatcherism; I hope we never find out what Cameronism is like...
L
lifesagasman
i don't normally get into political issues, and i'm not led into thinking that a party leader is what i vote for. as a public figure, at least we do see Cameron doing normal social acts (the charity runs etc), where other politicians remain aloof. whether this is for public image or if it is meant to help him keep in touch with the realities of everyday life and ordinary people on the street, i'm not sure. but at least he is out there and visibly making time to do these things.
the most important party member is always the Chancellor, in my eyes. they can make or break the country, but as we saw with Brown, what they say they will do, and what they eventually do don't always coincide.
from being a mighty empire we have become miserably insignificant in most respects, but to recover our financial stability we must inevitably suffer some severe changes to public spending, which won't go down well regardless of the party in power.
we're in meltdown, yet people will still cast a vote based on a promised variation of a penny or 2 in income tax, whilst billions are thrown at the NHS, the end result of which is front-line staff who are overloaded and over stressed and new, useless, management posts being created daily.
successive governments have failed to manage our traditional unwieldy institutions and public services, yet since this is their fundamental role, you have to conclude that they are not capable of such management.
i don't have answers to the problem. the next government, regardless of party, will be much the same as the present.
the most important party member is always the Chancellor, in my eyes. they can make or break the country, but as we saw with Brown, what they say they will do, and what they eventually do don't always coincide.
from being a mighty empire we have become miserably insignificant in most respects, but to recover our financial stability we must inevitably suffer some severe changes to public spending, which won't go down well regardless of the party in power.
we're in meltdown, yet people will still cast a vote based on a promised variation of a penny or 2 in income tax, whilst billions are thrown at the NHS, the end result of which is front-line staff who are overloaded and over stressed and new, useless, management posts being created daily.
successive governments have failed to manage our traditional unwieldy institutions and public services, yet since this is their fundamental role, you have to conclude that they are not capable of such management.
i don't have answers to the problem. the next government, regardless of party, will be much the same as the present.
B
Big Tone
Speaking as someone working in the NHS, I can tell you the very last thing we need are more damn managers. We already had more chiefs than Indians and now they’re adding yet more. It's beyond belief! I heard on the radio that there was a 12% increase in managers in 2009.
My immediate line manager is no more than an ‘empty suit’. Apart from rubber-stamping things like my Annual Leave form and passing messages to me which could just as easily have come from the horse’s mouth, I wouldn’t notice his job position disappearing at all - and neither would anyone else!
But not just him, I could say the same about many other well paid managers who try to 'fix that which is not broken' simply to justify their bloated position.
If you want to know how to do the job or make improvements, ask the person who does the job AND LISTEN!!! (Something I'm sure we can all relate to).
I have personally seen the NHS deteriorate over the past twelve years I have been here and can tell you morale has never been lower! I am all for efficiencies and savings but, as Sir John Harvey Jones might have said, ‘you cannot keep getting more of better from less’. Something has to give!
There are such wonderful and dedicated staff working in the NHS but we are increasingly becoming demoralised lions lead by ever-more donkeys.
My immediate line manager is no more than an ‘empty suit’. Apart from rubber-stamping things like my Annual Leave form and passing messages to me which could just as easily have come from the horse’s mouth, I wouldn’t notice his job position disappearing at all - and neither would anyone else!
But not just him, I could say the same about many other well paid managers who try to 'fix that which is not broken' simply to justify their bloated position.
If you want to know how to do the job or make improvements, ask the person who does the job AND LISTEN!!! (Something I'm sure we can all relate to).
I have personally seen the NHS deteriorate over the past twelve years I have been here and can tell you morale has never been lower! I am all for efficiencies and savings but, as Sir John Harvey Jones might have said, ‘you cannot keep getting more of better from less’. Something has to give!
There are such wonderful and dedicated staff working in the NHS but we are increasingly becoming demoralised lions lead by ever-more donkeys.
Rather Daily Mail-ised for me BigTone but the points behind the message are pretty sound. Sadly as mentioned the vast majority of people unless they take an interest in current affairs and poilitics in general will be totally unaware of all the effects of past decisions of GB
The civil service including all those managers of paper clips and other important tasks is now so over-bloated its fit to burst. Councils and NHS are two that immediatley spring to mind
There is such a large welfare supported sector and traditional Labour voters, both of whom will not change their votes whatever happens, that it still gives a party a chance that has truly and monumentally bent this country over and royally shafted it time and time again
The civil service including all those managers of paper clips and other important tasks is now so over-bloated its fit to burst. Councils and NHS are two that immediatley spring to mind
There is such a large welfare supported sector and traditional Labour voters, both of whom will not change their votes whatever happens, that it still gives a party a chance that has truly and monumentally bent this country over and royally shafted it time and time again
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