Wago alternatives? Cost effective

[JohnW2]

Which of those do you think will have a favourable outcome, and which will end up with you found guilty for gross negligence and liable for the vast costs of the of the damage, death and destruction caused?

Melodramatic statements always make points appear stronger

I acknowledge that legal processes are by no means always 'fair', but one would hope that no-one would be found guilty of causing "damage, death and destruction" as a result of their having used "some unbranded no-name items from some random vendor on ebay, which had no instructions, no manufacturer details, no declaration of conformity or evidence of compliance with any standards for such products" unless it could somehow be proven that the damage, death or destruction had definitely resulted from the use of such products - and in the case of spring-loaded connectors, I would think that it would be exceedingly difficult to obtain such 'proof' (or anything approaching 'proof'), wouldn't it?

 

[morqthana]

Oh yes, car boots are still going strong. I have picked up some lovely tools over the years for not very much money. Knipex, Bahco, RS, Snap on, Lindsstrom, Leica etc

And all legitimately owned and acquired by the sellers, of course.

 

[morqthana]

Quite so. I've seen under the floorboards of countless houses with electrical installations of appreciable age, and I'm not sure that I have seen (m)any that did not have at least some examples of what you describe. So, 'acceptable' or not, I would therefore suspect that there must be very many millions of such things in service in the UK

It's still being done, only now with modern junction boxes with Wago connectors inside

 

[morqthana]

I acknowledge that legal processes are by no means always 'fair', but one would hope that no-one would be found guilty of causing "damage, death and destruction" as a result of their having used "some unbranded no-name items from some random vendor on ebay, which had no instructions, no manufacturer details, no declaration of conformity or evidence of compliance with any standards for such products" unless it could somehow be proven that the damage, death or destruction had definitely resulted from the use of such products - and in the case of spring-loaded connectors, I would think that it would be exceedingly difficult to obtain such 'proof' (or anything approaching 'proof'), wouldn't it?

What if they were obviously counterfeit rather than "unbranded no-name"?

 

[JohnW2]

What if they were obviously counterfeit rather than "unbranded no-name"?

"Counterfeit" is really just an Intellectual Property issue, and doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of quality or reliability etc. In the same fashion I just described, one would hope that no-one would be found guilty of causing damage/death/injury because they used a counterfeit item unless it can be proved that the event was the result of use of that product.

I know a couple of people who have "obviously counterfeit" Rolex watches ('obviously' by virtue of price) - both of which are indistinguishable from the real thing by the eyes of the msn-in-the-street nd both of which have been functioing flawlessly for very many years

 

[JohnW2]

It's still being done, only now with modern junction boxes with Wago connectors inside

It's also still being done with traditional screwed-terminal JBs

 

[morqthana]

"Counterfeit" is really just an Intellectual Property issue, and doesn't necessarily mean anything in terms of quality or reliability etc.

So you're OK with counterfeit food, car parts, aircraft parts, medicines....

In the same fashion I just described, one would hope that no-one would be found guilty of causing damage/death/injury because they used a counterfeit item unless it can be proved that the event was the result of use of that product.

I just wondered if where there had been a tragic event that was caused by the item whether the user would be more likely to be in bother if the item was obviously counterfeit rather than simply no-name unbranded.

I know a couple of people who have "obviously counterfeit" Rolex watches ('obviously' by virtue of price) - both of which are indistinguishable from the real thing by the eyes of the msn-in-the-street nd both of which have been functioing flawlessly for very many years

Some of the better fakes these days need to be dismantled and very closely examined at high magnification by experts to be identified.

 

[JohnW2]

So you're OK with counterfeit food, car parts, aircraft parts, medicines....

No. Morally speaking, I'm not "OK" with any sort of counterfeit. I also accept that some counterfeit products are 'inferior,' maybe unsafe/dangerous. However, my point was that (as with Rolex watches below), one should not assume that such is necessarily the case - because sometimes it isn't!

I just wondered if where there had been a tragic event that was caused by the item whether the user would be more likely to be in bother if the item was obviously counterfeit rather than simply no-name unbranded.

IF it can be proven ('beyond a reasonable doubt') that a tragic event resulted from use of an inferior or defective product, then I imagine that a person might be 'in bother' if it were an 'obvious counterfeit' OR 'no-name branded' without a claim to be compliant with the relevant Standards and regulations. However, even if 'no-name unbranded' if it claimed to be compliant then I don't see how, in most cases, a user could be expected to determine that it wasn't.

Some of the better fakes these days need to be dismantled and very closely examined at high magnification by experts to be identified.

Exactly - as I said, being a fake does not necessarily mean that a product is appreciably 'inferior', let alone unsafe/dangerous

 

[Sureitsoff?]

I always thought it odd that the round screwed junction boxes are no longer allowed but terminal strips are OK, yet they both used screwed connections.
Anyhoo - I do find Wago's expensive for the DIY'r as there are not small kits available in Screwfix like the ideal one there is, you have to spend about £30 in order to make off a few assorted connections instead of £13.

We recently had a large control panel build at work where all the terminals (and there was hundreds) were wago lever ones, in one way using them is easier than screw terminals, other ways it's harder as you cannot put double cord end crimps into them.

Either way, I now have a nice little collection so I made myself a box to put them in.
One of the lads at work who has a large collection is going to give me a couple of boxes of Wago's so he too can have a box like this
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if that is 3d printed, start selling them quick as it's brilliant

 

[mattylad]

if that is 3d printed, start selling them quick as it's brilliant

Nah, it takes the best part of a day to print.
It's my hobby not a business lol