Bernard - please - stop trying to make out that lights not working properly could be as much of an emergency to anybody as would suddenly finding yourself the only person still standing on a boat out at sea, or having an artery severed.
We need to talk about Kevin, sorry, I mean ban-all-sheds
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Maybe not, but it (lights being taken out by faults on other circuits) is easily the most common reason that electricians cite for their belief that 314 requires circuits to be split across at last two RCDs. I've never heard of anyone worrying that a fault in a cooker could take out the immersion, or that a fault in a sockets circuit could take out the shower, but some of them sure do worry about other circuits taking out all of the lighting!
Kind Regards, John
Obviously BAS has never had a situation that invoked a panic attack in a domestic situtation.
I am sure there is some reading matter about the matter. Not that I am going to look for it.
Indeed not - you don't have time, as you have all these straws to clutch at.
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Indeed, and that is a perfectly reasonable factor to consider when doing the design.
It does not mean that being without lights, or being without ones which switch on and off properly, is an emergency of the same stature as bleeding heavily or finding yourself in charge of a boat out at sea.
Going back to how this all started, I do not think that the issue is about the direness of the emergency but, rather, about the 'immediacy' of the problem that needs to be solved. Someone who has managed to kill his/her lighting is not going to go away and study several books/whatever in order to get his/her lights back on again!
Kind Regards, John
Then they call in an electrician.
There are no extenuating circumstances - uninformed fiddling and experimenting and blindly following instructions without understanding them are not, and never will be, acceptable.
There are no extenuating circumstances - uninformed fiddling and experimenting and blindly following instructions without understanding them are not, and never will be, acceptable.
Yes, we know that's your view, but is it not the case that "blindly following instructions without understanding [the reason for] them" is precisely what many/most people do when they receive advice from a healthcare professional, lawyer, accountant, financial advisor etc. etc.?
Indeed, even in much more technological (and safety-critical) situations, people are often called upon to "blindly follow instructions", the reason for which they may well not understand - e.g. a technician/fitter building or maintaining an aircraft or spacecraft.
Kind Regards, John
And you think that those "analogies" are applicable to someone who chooses to do electrical installation work without knowing what they are doing? You think that learning how lighting circuits work is a task as demanding as becoming a nurse, doctor, lawyer, accountant? You think that working out a cable size is as complex as building or maintaining aircraft and spaceships?
What is wrong with you and Bernard?
Actually - I know what it is - you are both consumed and blinded by a stupid, childish need to criticise no matter how illogical and baseless your criticisms become.
Next time you complain that I take no notice of what people say, try and remember the utter rubbish which some people have spouted here, and how the only sane way to deal with it is to treat it as rubbish, and to realise that the people spouting it have nothing valid to say.
What is wrong with you and Bernard?
Actually - I know what it is - you are both consumed and blinded by a stupid, childish need to criticise no matter how illogical and baseless your criticisms become.
Next time you complain that I take no notice of what people say, try and remember the utter rubbish which some people have spouted here, and how the only sane way to deal with it is to treat it as rubbish, and to realise that the people spouting it have nothing valid to say.
I never suggested any of those things. I was merely responding to your assertion that "blindly following instructions without understanding them" was "unacceptable", by indicating that such is precisely what most of us do when acting on advice from experts/specialists, in a vast range of fields.
One could be a highly competent, skilled and experienced aircraft fitter, able to 'do things as instructed' impeccably, yet be totally incapable of doing a calculation of any sort, whether in relation to electrical cables, aircraft design or anything else.
Kind Regards, John
I never realised that you have difficulties which mean that you are unable to understand that the context of "blindly following instructions without understanding them" is DIY domestic electrical work.
But I have realised that your inability to understand the difference in scope between installing light switches or sizing a cable for a shed or a shower and building or maintaining or designing aircraft means that it is pointless trying to explain it to you.
one must be careful of those 3 blues on a loop ceiling rose dont get mixed up
and that all lights need to be connected to get one to work
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