Tony Benn: the Lord who became a Lad. What quote from him do you have to enlighten us upon your path, Grasshopper?
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You getting it yet (obviously not) when we had true labour conservative liberal parties we had a choice so why tear the system down?
Now we have an amalgamation of said parties that you can't get a cigarette paper between who are now disenfranchising Brexit voters.
It's as though they never learn.
Now we have an amalgamation of said parties that you can't get a cigarette paper between who are now disenfranchising Brexit voters.
It's as though they never learn.
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"It's the same each time with progress. First they ignore you, then they say you're mad, then dangerous, then there's a pause and then you can't find anyone who disagrees with you."
Tony Benn could be talking about any kind of political agenda in that sentence. I can use it to advocate the rising appeal of Green policies, especially among younger voters (18-24).
The Bre*it you voted for advocates nothing less than unchained Free Market Capitalism. I don't think TB had that in mind when he was writing his diaries for posterity, do you?
Tony Benn could be talking about any kind of political agenda in that sentence. I can use it to advocate the rising appeal of Green policies, especially among younger voters (18-24).
The Bre*it you voted for advocates nothing less than unchained Free Market Capitalism. I don't think TB had that in mind when he was writing his diaries for posterity, do you?
It's obvious Farage sold out his voters (part of the establishment) and handed it over to the Tories to get it done, which was always going to end in tears (no belief in it) and so it's proved.
With backstabber in chief Rishi wielding the knife.
If voting changed anything then you wouldn't be given the vote .....very profound.
With backstabber in chief Rishi wielding the knife.
If voting changed anything then you wouldn't be given the vote .....very profound.
Now you're quoting a looney-left trope from 15 years ago: you seem to take a pick-n-mix approach to political ideals - it's all very chewy but rather tasteless.
Because, under the current system, you can't get much done unless you're in power.
To achieve power, you have to make your policies appealing to enough voters: otherwise, it is futile posturing.
That's why we need a different voting system: to give everyone a vote worth something, as well as clip the wings of extremist wings of any parties in power.
In your opinion.
And even if the above were the case - and I'm not getting into that here - that would be entirely logical: to win the game as it currently stands, you have to appeal to sufficient voters. And as those "sufficient voters" likely want basically the same thing, so the parties have to appeal to those same things.
But they have learned; that is why (if your claim is true) "you can't get a cigarette paper between them now".
If they hadn't learned, they'd still be the same parties you said they were, "when we had a choice".
The barmy extremists of one party put lying Johnson in power. Followed by the idiot Truss.
Cigarette paper?
How many parties wanted to give huge tax breaks to millionaires?
How many parties voted against the Wellington Amendment?
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Some brexiters like gant say this.
Others cheer on Boris for getting it done.
The 2 different views can't both be right
That's a lot of rubbish if you dont me mind me saying.
You can get inti power by ignoring a proportion of the electorate and they know it.
The reason I said they hadn't learnt is because they keep ignoring a growing proportion of the electorate who will in the end cease to vote, bringing down the system.
And sufficient voters don't want boats turning up on our shores but has been shown they can't do f*ck all about it because of international laws and treaties and isn't that the nub of the problem our politicians are nothing more than glorified gatekeepers.
.Must be a first you e got something right.
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Only the loony left turn out to vote these days, because there are only loony left causes to vote for, whatever the party. No sensible person takes stuff like diversity, climate change and transgenderism seriously.
The majority of the population is conservative (small C) in that we don't want our tax money wasted. As more and more sensible people lose faith in the voting system you will only see us turn out to vote for policies which are (or which are presented to us) as conservative, hence the record turnout for the vote to leave the European Union.
The majority of the population is conservative (small C) in that we don't want our tax money wasted. As more and more sensible people lose faith in the voting system you will only see us turn out to vote for policies which are (or which are presented to us) as conservative, hence the record turnout for the vote to leave the European Union.
I already said that.
Ergo, not satisfactory to the smaller group of voters, who become of no consequence (to the result).
True, you can't physically stop anyone climbing in a boat and setting sail for Blighty, no more than anyone can stop you doing the same to France.
But you can process them when they get here.
Try going to France on a lilo, and seeing how you get on. Do report back your findings.
The fact is that our frankly useless politicians don't want to do anything about efficient processing, and hide behind bullshoite like "international law says we can't do anything about them".
Which bit?
Well you've not addressed the fact the system will break down if you appeal to less and less voters.
The French still have to abide by eu ruling which has resulted in the demographics of that country being changed, regardless of how many they out source to Britain.
The French still have to abide by eu ruling which has resulted in the demographics of that country being changed, regardless of how many they out source to Britain.
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