What are these cables coming through my wall? And what cables do i need?
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Thought so. Thanks.
I found one of them when searching .... also 1.5mtrs.
Annoyingly i need more but they all seem to be in short lengths. I measured up & where i think the TV is going we will need 6mtrs of cable, but where it may go then we will need 8mtrs of cable.
Unfortunately all the ones i've searched that are looking like that are short cable lengths
I found one of them when searching .... also 1.5mtrs.
Annoyingly i need more but they all seem to be in short lengths. I measured up & where i think the TV is going we will need 6mtrs of cable, but where it may go then we will need 8mtrs of cable.
Unfortunately all the ones i've searched that are looking like that are short cable lengths
I posted a link to what you need in reply #10 (see the Satcure page link). Simples
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Ahh damnit, you beat me to it.
I was about to say i think i've got the right one & it's that very one I took a look at that website on my dinner break & was a bit lost by it. It was only after i posted my last post did i look at it again on PC this time & had more time to read & figured that must be the one.
Sorry about that
Although i don't get why you say "AND one of these" pointing to the one underneath?
I would've thought the top one would've done perfectly fine - one end plugging in to that splitter, trail the cable to the TV location & plug the other end direct in to the rear of the TV, job done?
That's what i thought anyway. So where does that second cable feature in all of this?
Note: I noticed about the colours Ordered black
Placed the order after my last post but before reading your last one. So hope i don't NEED that second cable you point to.
I was about to say i think i've got the right one & it's that very one
I took a look at that website on my dinner break & was a bit lost by it. It was only after i posted my last post did i look at it again on PC this time & had more time to read & figured that must be the one.Sorry about that
Although i don't get why you say "AND one of these" pointing to the one underneath?
I would've thought the top one would've done perfectly fine - one end plugging in to that splitter, trail the cable to the TV location & plug the other end direct in to the rear of the TV, job done?
That's what i thought anyway. So where does that second cable feature in all of this?
Note: I noticed about the colours
Ordered black Placed the order after my last post but before reading your last one. So hope i don't NEED that second cable you point to.
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Someone already gave you a link to the SatCure site and that site has a built-in search facility. However, to save your time, here is a direct link to the WF100 page: http://www.satcure.co.uk/accs/WF100_cable.htm#tvf
That site also has a technical section with several hundred information pages covering everything you could possibly need to know - free.
Ah, sorry. I see the answer has already been provided. I don't know how I missed that!
That site also has a technical section with several hundred information pages covering everything you could possibly need to know - free.
Ah, sorry. I see the answer has already been provided. I don't know how I missed that!
I'd like to point out that RG59 cable is fine for CCTV but really bad for aerial and dish connections, since the cable is only specified up to 50 MHz !
And Lucid already warned about using such cable.
Also, do you really want to buy via a bookseller that pays hardly any UK tax and provides zero technical support? I can tell you from personal experience that their response to a problem is "send it back for a refund".
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To be honest I don't care about all that tax thing that they got into & Starbucks etc etc.
ATEOTD if they have something I want at a price I accept then that's all that bothers me. I worry about my own tax, not these companies.
But anyway, I don't get why Lucid said I need "AND one of these". I thought the first item (which I've ordered) would've done just fine on its own?
So why doesn't it?
ATEOTD if they have something I want at a price I accept then that's all that bothers me. I worry about my own tax, not these companies.
But anyway, I don't get why Lucid said I need "AND one of these". I thought the first item (which I've ordered) would've done just fine on its own?
So why doesn't it?
I just used an old image and hosted it last night. I should have added a note that all you needed was the top lead. It was late and I was doing some other stuff at the same time so not really paying attention.
Like Winston1 said, if theres no power supply inline and you're going from the splitter to the TV then all you need is the F to TV coax plug lead. There... done.
The specification for RG59 only goes up to 50 MHz so "not up to spec" is meaningless when someone tries to use it for UHF - 450 MHz and higher. Its signal losses are stupendously high, as is the risk of interference - which happens to be greatest close the TV, which is where this stuff usually ends up. And in short lengths, the cost saving is so small that nobody who really understands the trade-off would dream of using it for UHF.
In addition, a lot of the cable sold as "RG59" has a thread-like centre core and no effective shielding. It's performance is incredibly poor and it snaps easily (but invisibly) inside. I strongly recommend not risking it just to save a few pennies.
In addition, a lot of the cable sold as "RG59" has a thread-like centre core and no effective shielding. It's performance is incredibly poor and it snaps easily (but invisibly) inside. I strongly recommend not risking it just to save a few pennies.
As I said Virgin Media use it internally at UHF with no problems.
I also said a lot of cable sold as RG 59 is not up to spec so one needs to be careful. That includes your thread like centre core which should not be sold as RG59.
I also said a lot of cable sold as RG 59 is not up to spec so one needs to be careful. That includes your thread like centre core which should not be sold as RG59.
I guarantee that VM don't buy it from the Amazon book store. They will have carried out a cost-benefit analysis based on hundreds of thousands of installations where 10p saved on each one adds up to a significant total amount. They will be using cable, which they have tested at the frequencies that they use. They will be able to adjust the gain and the frequency slope to compensate for losses. Joe average can't do this at home; he has neither the knowledge nor the equipment.
So I repeat my plea to everyone: please DON'T buy sub-standard cable. The pennies you might save are not worth the hassle that you'll experience.
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Thank you Lucid. The "and" part really threw me, but at least that's that sorted.
I know some scoff at the price i've paid on the cable you linked, but the saying you get what you pay for. You can also get ripped off too i guess but i'm hoping it's more because the quality is better. We shall see.
If i order Sky though - do i still need this TV aerial cable? I guess not since the channels will come through Sky, BUT if i cancel my subscription after the first year & then go on to either freeview or BT TV or whatever, wouldn't i then need the aerial cable for that?
The whole basis of this is that i want the cabling in place BEFORE the carpet is put down since it'll be going under it.
I know some scoff at the price i've paid on the cable you linked, but the saying you get what you pay for. You can also get ripped off too i guess but i'm hoping it's more because the quality is better. We shall see.
If i order Sky though - do i still need this TV aerial cable? I guess not since the channels will come through Sky, BUT if i cancel my subscription after the first year & then go on to either freeview or BT TV or whatever, wouldn't i then need the aerial cable for that?
The whole basis of this is that i want the cabling in place BEFORE the carpet is put down since it'll be going under it.
Freeview is a handy backup system for when satellite TV fails - as it can do for various reasons, including really bad weather.
I should add that cable must not be placed directly under carpet that will be stood on - by humans or furniture. Crushing the cable even slightly "out of round" can render it useless. It needs to be in a solid channel to protect it.
I should add that cable must not be placed directly under carpet that will be stood on - by humans or furniture. Crushing the cable even slightly "out of round" can render it useless. It needs to be in a solid channel to protect it.
When the original Mil Specs applied to Radio Guide (RG) cables then RG59 actually meant something specific. One could say "use RG59" and know that a competent person would both understand the meaning and use the proper spec' of cable. This was a baseband (composite video) coax cable @ 75 Ohms impedance and no-good for UHF frequencies as used in an aerial system. However, since it's no-longer part of the military specification then all that RG59 really now describes is the physical dimensions and impedance (75 Ohms).
There are now RG59-sized 75 Ohm cables that are only useful for 5.5 MHz baseband video, and at the other end of the spectrum there are RG59-sized cables capable of carrying HD video in Serial Digital form because they have a bandwidth of up to 4500 MHz. I know this because I use this very high bandwidth cable for some of my installation work.
I will bet good money that while Virgin Media use an RG59-sized cable for UHF, that cable is not limited to baseband video bandwidth.
The problem for the average Joe is that without both reference to a set of specifications, and the knowledge to be able to interpret those spec, RG59 on its own isn't enough to make any kind of informed judgement call before laying down some cash. However, human nature being what it is, there is no shortage of unscrupulous resellers who peddle RG59 of the tat-and-crap variety to unwary and ill-informed buyers.
By and large then most of what's on sale as RG59 through Ebay, Amazon, the big DIY sheds, the mail order retailers, electrical wholesale/retail sites (yes, Screwfix, I'm looking at you), market stalls, hobbyist stores and uncle Tom Cobbley's pile-it-high emporium is utter garbage. That cable that 10monty pointed to.... Sh**e. The stuff that Asda Tesco Morrisons and Sainsburys sells in handy little packs....Sh**e. Maplins....Sh**e. B&M, Poundland/Poundstretcher....Sh**e. If it's gold plated... Ooh.. pretty... and still sh**e. Currys... over-priced sh**e. John Lewis... pretentious and over-priced sh**e.
The only places you'll find broadcast-specification RG59-sized coax cable is from specialist dealers like me who deal with Liberty, Belden and a couple of other market leading brands. I'll be honest, unless there's really a very good reason why you need the extra flexibility of a high quality RG59-sized cable such as Liberty Interflex SD when wiring up an aerial system then you might as well save yourself some money and buy the thicker and better shielded Webro WF100. It's bloody good stuff for UHF.
There are now RG59-sized 75 Ohm cables that are only useful for 5.5 MHz baseband video, and at the other end of the spectrum there are RG59-sized cables capable of carrying HD video in Serial Digital form because they have a bandwidth of up to 4500 MHz. I know this because I use this very high bandwidth cable for some of my installation work.
I will bet good money that while Virgin Media use an RG59-sized cable for UHF, that cable is not limited to baseband video bandwidth.
The problem for the average Joe is that without both reference to a set of specifications, and the knowledge to be able to interpret those spec, RG59 on its own isn't enough to make any kind of informed judgement call before laying down some cash. However, human nature being what it is, there is no shortage of unscrupulous resellers who peddle RG59 of the tat-and-crap variety to unwary and ill-informed buyers.
By and large then most of what's on sale as RG59 through Ebay, Amazon, the big DIY sheds, the mail order retailers, electrical wholesale/retail sites (yes, Screwfix, I'm looking at you), market stalls, hobbyist stores and uncle Tom Cobbley's pile-it-high emporium is utter garbage. That cable that 10monty pointed to.... Sh**e. The stuff that Asda Tesco Morrisons and Sainsburys sells in handy little packs....Sh**e. Maplins....Sh**e. B&M, Poundland/Poundstretcher....Sh**e. If it's gold plated... Ooh.. pretty... and still sh**e. Currys... over-priced sh**e. John Lewis... pretentious and over-priced sh**e.
The only places you'll find broadcast-specification RG59-sized coax cable is from specialist dealers like me who deal with Liberty, Belden and a couple of other market leading brands. I'll be honest, unless there's really a very good reason why you need the extra flexibility of a high quality RG59-sized cable such as Liberty Interflex SD when wiring up an aerial system then you might as well save yourself some money and buy the thicker and better shielded Webro WF100. It's bloody good stuff for UHF.
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