What Britain earns.

[tim west]

How are Earnings worked out? By demand or the sacrifices made by the person when training?

If so, I did 5 years apprenticeship on appalling money so should I be earning what a GP earns?

 

[joe-90]

The bottom line is they earn far more than they should and evade paying tax.

 

[megawatt]

They earn an average of £120K and work less hours than you do. No Saturdays, no call-outs. Cozy little office (usually) half asleep and talking gibberish.

Even your own quote shows this to be clearly untrue.

The picture of high-earning GPs came to light after an annual survey of family doctor's pay revealed that nearly half of GPs earn more than £100,000 a year and 6% have broken the £150,000 barrier.

But, in balance ...

The high-earners are going to be hard-working entrepreneurial GPs. They tend to be workaholics with large list sizes

Joe's opinion is based on ignorance unfortunately of a very well intentioned group of our society ... Or, jealousy perhaps at people who are quite clearly better educated being paid more ... Is this a class thing Joe, do you feel belittled perhaps?

Enough from me on this subject as its descending into the usual Joe obstinacy with no valid points being made.

Joe: You still don't seem to have responded to your lies about my wife ...

I'd be interested in seeing this so-called post of mine to which you keep referring because, if you can find one, it certainly wasn't posted by me and I'll ask Admin to investigate.

MW

 

[joe-90]

This is a balanced view. GPs took as profit what they should have been giving the public.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/publicservices/story/0,,1994310,00.html

Why is Meggawatt so pro GP? What IS your connection with GPs?

 

[AtoZ]

i really do not want to be on joes side on this but i can tell you for sure that a paramedic will save your life whereas a gp will add you to a list.

gp's have time to think, paramedics have to work with people screaming, people trying to steal the drugs they carry, at night, sometimes stuck sitting in their ambo all night so they can make turnout times..

gp's are little more than educated receptionists. they work on the seven day rule.. come back if its still bad in a week because the body clears up most things in a week. my m8's wife is a GP and it was she who told me!


i dont actually want to do GP's down but no way are they worth so much more than a paramedic..

 

[joe-90]

Why not? I'm a nice guy.

 

[Barsteward]

i really do not want to be on joes side on this but i can tell you for sure that a paramedic will save your life whereas a gp will add you to a list.

gp's have time to think, paramedics have to work with people screaming, people trying to steal the drugs they carry, at night, sometimes stuck sitting in their ambo all night so they can make turnout times..

gp's are little more than educated receptionists. they work on the seven day rule.. come back if its still bad in a week because the body clears up most things in a week. my m8's wife is a GP and it was she who told me!


i dont actually want to do GP's down but no way are they worth so much more than a paramedic..

A very loose generalisation. As most of the stated 'facts' in this thread are.
Paramedics do a different job to GPs and in differing circumstances.

From one of Joes earlier posts, the plumber earning £100k. He worth it is he? especially when he claimed to be on £35/hr just for been on call - not actually doing anything.

And lets look at politicians. Yes, the ones who set their own wage rises and expenses. The same ones who ultimately decide who gets what in the State systems.

 

[anobium]

Big all wrote

"GPs are back in the news as their average pay has reportedly climbed towards £100,000. Their last officially recorded mean average of nearly £70,000 was nearly two and a half times the average salary. Forty years ago, however, they were earning three and a half times the average. The latest rises in their pay have been part of a deliberate policy by the government to address a shortage of doctors."

Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't I read recently that there are to many doctors chasing to few jobs.
Could there be a connection between this and the high salaries which they are now being paid!

 

[Barsteward]

Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't I read recently that there are to many doctors chasing to few jobs.
Could there be a connection between this and the high salaries which they are now being paid!

Not really, the bone of contention with that issue is the jobs are been offered to overseas Doctors too.
Regarding the salaries, supply and demand does not easily apply to the Medical profession.

 

[jefoss]

were burglars mentioned? they have it tough, long nights and lots of sneaking around for sometimes not much reward, then theres the chance of getting bitten by dogs, and falling out of windows, and dot get me started on the cat problem

 

[AtoZ]

i really do not want to be on joes side on this but i can tell you for sure that a paramedic will save your life whereas a gp will add you to a list.

gp's have time to think, paramedics have to work with people screaming, people trying to steal the drugs they carry, at night, sometimes stuck sitting in their ambo all night so they can make turnout times..

gp's are little more than educated receptionists. they work on the seven day rule.. come back if its still bad in a week because the body clears up most things in a week. my m8's wife is a GP and it was she who told me!


i dont actually want to do GP's down but no way are they worth so much more than a paramedic..

A very loose generalisation. As most of the stated 'facts' in this thread are.
Paramedics do a different job to GPs and in differing circumstances.

From one of Joes earlier posts, the plumber earning £100k. He worth it is he? especially when he claimed to be on £35/hr just for been on call - not actually doing anything.

And lets look at politicians. Yes, the ones who set their own wage rises and expenses. The same ones who ultimately decide who gets what in the State systems.

i see nothing loose in what i said.
no-one here can actually pin down what a GP earns so i see few facts apart from a GP does a different job under different circumstances, which was most of my point.
we are comparing here and it your choice to include plumbers and MP's.
my choice was paramedics and GP's.. and i stick entirely to my post.
GP's have it easy compared to a paramedic and yet gets five times the pay according to the above.
there is no supply and demand in play here unlike plumbers whos trade will soon be flooded with people because of these type of wages.

MP's
in theory we should want the best, the reality im sure you already know

 

[AtoZ]

Why not? I'm a nice guy.

why

i dont want to knock GP's i want to actually compare GP's and paramedics but not get involved in your ongoing argument.

i agree with some thing you say on other posts but not everything, same as most people.

 

[megawatt]

To try and compare GP's and Paramedics would be like comparing apples with oranges.

Paramedics are specialists in the first stage treatment of emergency medicine, they keep you alive until you can be transferred to Doctors for proper treatment ... Their acedemic requirements and training is minimal in comparison to Doctors.

GP's are generalists and are responsible for the on-going well being of their patients. This is not just about "I'm not feeling well today I'll go and see my GP" as this is only a small percentage of what GP's do ... But 100% according to ignorant people such as Joe-90.

Who else is going to take care of patients in the community with chronic diseases such as Asthma, Diabetes, Respiratory and circulatory problems never mind obesity, child heath, geriatric care etc etc.

This is the core bread and butter work undertaken by GP's NOT the morning surgery for people wanting to pull a sickie.

Do not listen to Joe-90, what he knows about GP practice you could write on a postage stamp.

MW

 

[noseall]

Why not? I'm a nice guy.

 

[Diyisfun]

If we all new then what we no know, I wonder what jobs we would have.
You do have to remember that a lot of people are not capable of being trained to be a doctor, come to think some people just dont want to do anything.