What can you do?

[Old Salt]

I went on a bus once.

 

[JP_]

 

[Deleted member 294929]

I went on a bus once.

I've been on a bus but never in Jersey

 

[ReganAndCarter]

I go to Czech Republic a lot where it's rare to see antisocial behaviour or young people misbehaving. More likely that the youth will be giving up their seats to elderly than abusing them.

However, few years ago I was on a night tram at about 1 am returning to the centre of Prague. Some wino types were at the back and were getting a bit lary and annoying fellow passengers. They started coming forwards from back of tram. They got close to a passenger who leapt up, grabbed some rice flails from inside his bag and started twirling them about his head in a very aggressive martial arts display. The winos returned to their seats and got off at the next stop.

This is typical of the attitude, where there are rarely any problems, but often there are people with military experience (they still have conscription) who will sort things out before they get out of hand. Probably explains why there isn't much trouble and also why Ukraine isn't the pushover Putin took it for.

 

[ic1927]

This is typical of the attitude, where there are rarely any problems, but often there are people with military experience (they still have conscription) who will sort things out before they get out of hand. Probably explains why there isn't much trouble and also who Ukraine isn't the pushover Putin took it for.

Spent some time in Kiev and the people are friendly but they won't take sh*t from anyone. Some Russian football hooligans were there for a match against Dynamo Kiev and they started causing problems and were dealt with by the locals, the police cleaned up what was left of them when it finished. Great people, but not to be messed with.

 

[Pat ex]

I read it that the driver was foreign?

It was still an unnecessary dig at 'foreigners', who, because they were working, were completely entitled to be in UK.
As far as I know, no public transport organisations have a dispensation for giving out visas to foreigners.
The drivers nationality, nor the children's nationality were important or relevant to the story. It was an unnecessary embroidered detail in order to illicit hatred against foreigners.

In Jersey last month, some unruly, hyperactive teenagers on the bus on the last day of term were being a bit loud and running about. The driver told them to behave and they did. They wanted to get off beteeen stops and he told them no. It was a fair old ride to the next stop too. A few stops later, the bus stopped at a stop and two heavily tattooed blokes in their mid twenties wearing just shorts and trainers tried to get on and the diver said "Shirts on lads, you can’t come on this bus dressed like that". They put their T Shirts on and were allowed on. No arguments. Different culture over there or should I say a noticeable lack of certain other cultures.

Much more probable is the Tönnies' theory of Gemeinschaft and Gesellschaft.
In small communities it's difficult to get away with misdeeds because everyone knows who you are, they know your parents, your grandparents, etc.
In larger societies, it's far easier to escape justice because of the relative anonymity that larger societies afford individuals.

There are just about 100,000 people on Jersey. There are just 50,000 private homes in Jersey, split into just 12 parishes.
There are only 16,000 under 16's in Jersey.

50% 0f Jersey residents were born in Jersey, and an additional 29% were British.
So 21% were 'immigrants' to Jersey, and born elsewhere.

https://www.gov.je/SiteCollectionDocuments/Government%20and%20administration/R%20CensusBulletin1%2020220413%20SJ.pdf

 

[johnny2007]

On my route there used to be a jamaican bus driver who wouldn't take shyte from any of these youths.
Once 2 teenagers got on the bus with a boom box swearing like sailors and bypassed the drivers without tapping their oyster card.
Bus driver called them over and they ignored him.
He came out of the cab, went to them and told them to turn music off and validate their card.
One of them said in a fake jamaican accent: "Shut your mouth, you bambaclath".
They were forcefully thrown off the bus.
And I mean, physically pushed out to the point that one of them fell to the ground.
Massive applause from the other passengers.
Then after a couple of years I met the same driver on a route I rarely use, known as the oap express because it goes all around town without really leaving the area, used mainly by oaps.
He told me that some snowflakes had reported him dealing with a large group of youths causing trouble.
He was suspended for 2 months and given a warning.
Then moved to a quiet route so not to disturb the teenagers causing havoc for everyone else.
Nice f#ck up!
Damn snowflakes!

 

[Pat ex]

On my route there used to be a jamaican bus driver who wouldn't take shyte from any of these youths.
Once 2 teenagers got on the bus with a boom box swearing like sailors and bypassed the drivers without tapping their oyster card.
Bus driver called them over and they ignored him.
He came out of the cab, went to them and told them to turn music off and validate their card.
One of them said in a fake jamaican accent: "Shut your mouth, you bambaclath".
They were forcefully thrown off the bus.
And I mean, physically pushed out to the point that one of them fell to the ground.
Massive applause from the other passengers.
Then after a couple of years I met the same driver on a route I rarely use, known as the oap express because it goes all around town without really leaving the area, used mainly by oaps.
He told me that some snowflakes had reported him dealing with a large group of youths causing trouble.
He was suspended for 2 months and given a warning.
Then moved to a quiet route so not to disturb the teenagers causing havoc for everyone else.
Nice f#ck up!
Damn snowflakes!

The employers are responsible for the conduct of its employers in the discharge of their duties.
I'm pretty sure the normal operating procedures given to drivers of public transport vehicles does not advocate physical ejection in the case of non-compliance.

 

[johnny2007]

The employers are responsible for the conduct of its employers in the discharge of their duties.
I'm pretty sure the normal operating procedures given to drivers of public transport vehicles does not advocate physical ejection in the case of non-compliance.

In fact, it doesn't.
But it should.
Put aside all health and safety issues of the driver, if the driver feels that he/she can deal with the situation by throwing the little monkeys off the bus, why stop them?
Remember, there are other passengers on the bus who only want to get from A to B without having to listen/see animals in human form behaving as if they were in a jungle fighting for the last bone.

 

[Pat ex]

In fact, it doesn't.
But it should.
Put aside all health and safety issues of the driver, if the driver feels that he/she can deal with the situation by throwing the little monkeys off the bus, why stop them?
Remember, there are other passengers on the bus who only want to get from A to B without having to listen/see animals in human form behaving as if they were in a jungle fighting for the last bone.

Remember those other passengers would equally be witnesses to any physical assault by the driver.
He was lucky to get away with a relative minor reprimand.

 

[johnny2007]

Remember those other passengers would equally be witnesses to any physical assault by the driver.
He was lucky to get away with a relative minor reprimand.

Yes, the other passengers were so terrified by the assault that they applauded the driver.
Snowflake.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And if 1 of those thrown off the bus had claimed for injury or assault?

Like it or not the driver broke his employnent rules

Dont blame the snowflakes blame the system

Its their partly to prevent taking the law into your own hands

 

[Mottie]

It was still an unnecessary dig at 'foreigners', who, because they were working, were completely entitled to be in UK.
As far as I know, no public transport organisations have a dispensation for giving out visas to foreigners.
The drivers nationality, nor the children's nationality were important or relevant to the story. It was an unnecessary embroidered detail in order to illicit hatred against foreigners.

The employers are responsible for the conduct of its employers in the discharge of their duties.
I'm pretty sure the normal operating procedures given to drivers of public transport vehicles does not advocate physical ejection in the case of non-compliance.

And if 1 of those thrown off the bus had claimed for injury or assault?

Like it or not the driver broke his employnent rules

Dont blame the snowflakes blame the system

Its their partly to prevent taking the law into your own hands

Aren’t there any forums you two could join up that is populated by your own sort? If not, why not launch your own? Snowflakes.co.U.K. is still available I believe.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Aren’t there any forums you two could join up that is populated by your own sort? If not, why not launch your own? Snowflakes.co.U.K. is still available I believe.

So you agree with taking the law into your own hands?

the issue to me seems to be a parenting issue, affects more than just 1 offence on a bus. Seems a lot happens elsewhere too.

more obvious police about might help too

 

[Mottie]

So you agree with taking the law into your own hands?

What would 'the law' had done in this instance?
No, not the law but keeping order if it’s required and safe to do so. I suppose you are the sort that would happily sit in front of them taking abuse like a good chap and not do anything after your respectful and pitying pleading for them to behave fell on deaf ears?